White
ClickyDuration: 16m 14s
“Like the sound of walking on gravel.”
Switches mentioned in this episode

Kailh box white
45±10gf
Actuation force1.8±0.3mm
Pre-travelTranscripts
Duration: 16m 14s

Erez
00m 05s
Hello and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and support lead. How are you today, Tisha?
Hello and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and support lead. How are you today, Tisha?

Tisha
00m 15s
Hi, I'm doing okay. How are you?
Hi, I'm doing okay. How are you?

Erez
00m 18s
Good, good. Can't complain. Well, I can complain-
Good, good. Can't complain. Well, I can complain-

Tisha
00m 21s
[laughs] Right.
[laughs] Right.

Erez
00m 21s
'Cause it is actually a bit cloudy and rainy, but not too bad. I mean, all in all, I'm happy.
'Cause it is actually a bit cloudy and rainy, but not too bad. I mean, all in all, I'm happy.

Tisha
00m 27s
Sure. It's like five million degrees here. So-
Sure. It's like five million degrees here. So-

Erez
00m 31s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Tisha
00m 32s
[laughs] Uh, definitely worth complaining about, but yeah. Other than that, I guess everything's okay [laughs].
[laughs] Uh, definitely worth complaining about, but yeah. Other than that, I guess everything's okay [laughs].

Erez
00m 38s
That's good. That's good. So, White.
That's good. That's good. So, White.

Tisha
00m 42s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Erez
00m 42s
What switches are we gonna talk about today?
What switches are we gonna talk about today?

Tisha
00m 44s
Well, we're really only going to talk, in detail, about one. Which is the Kailh Box White. We used to carry two White switches. The other one being, as you might be able to guess, Cherry MX White, but Cherry discontinued that switch, so we no longer carry it either [laughs]. There are keyboards out there, of ours, that have this switch, so, if anyone is familiar with it and maybe wants to compare it to the Kailh Box White, we can talk a little bit about it. It was a kinda slightly heavier, maybe medium-weight, clicky switch with a muted-sounding, kinda lower-pitched click.
Well, we're really only going to talk, in detail, about one. Which is the Kailh Box White. We used to carry two White switches. The other one being, as you might be able to guess, Cherry MX White, but Cherry discontinued that switch, so we no longer carry it either [laughs]. There are keyboards out there, of ours, that have this switch, so, if anyone is familiar with it and maybe wants to compare it to the Kailh Box White, we can talk a little bit about it. It was a kinda slightly heavier, maybe medium-weight, clicky switch with a muted-sounding, kinda lower-pitched click.

Erez
01m 26s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
01m 26s
Than something like a Cherry MX Blue, for example. But, yeah. It isn't being made anymore and, confusingly, there also is a switch called Cherry MX Nature White. Which was something different.
Than something like a Cherry MX Blue, for example. But, yeah. It isn't being made anymore and, confusingly, there also is a switch called Cherry MX Nature White. Which was something different.

Erez
01m 43s
Nature White?
Nature White?

Tisha
01m 44s
Yes [laughs].
Yes [laughs].

Erez
01m 45s
So, basically the type of switch that you'd just find, like, in the woods. In the wild.
So, basically the type of switch that you'd just find, like, in the woods. In the wild.

Tisha
01m 50s
Yeah, I guess so. Maybe they grew on some sort of tree [laughs].
Yeah, I guess so. Maybe they grew on some sort of tree [laughs].

Erez
01m 52s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
01m 54s
I think Cherry also may have discontinued those as well. I am not really sure. Now, I guess it's been a little while since I've looked, but the last time I looked, the information about Cherry MX Nature White was not very conclusive [laughs].
I think Cherry also may have discontinued those as well. I am not really sure. Now, I guess it's been a little while since I've looked, but the last time I looked, the information about Cherry MX Nature White was not very conclusive [laughs].

Erez
02m 09s
Interesting.
Interesting.

Tisha
02m 10s
Yeah. So, I think that Cherry is not making a switch with "white" in its name right now.
Yeah. So, I think that Cherry is not making a switch with "white" in its name right now.

Erez
02m 17s
I think my favorite piece of trivia on the MX White is that, in Asia, it used to be called Milk. Apparently, they called the MX Clear, "White" in Asia. So, then they ended up calling the White, "Milk."
I think my favorite piece of trivia on the MX White is that, in Asia, it used to be called Milk. Apparently, they called the MX Clear, "White" in Asia. So, then they ended up calling the White, "Milk."

Tisha
02m 35s
Oh, interesting.
Oh, interesting.

Erez
02m 36s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Tisha
02m 37s
I mean, it was confusing no matter what because you had White and Clear, in English-speaking and just maybe outside of Asia. But both of them had, basically, white stems [laughs].
I mean, it was confusing no matter what because you had White and Clear, in English-speaking and just maybe outside of Asia. But both of them had, basically, white stems [laughs].

Erez
02m 49s
Right.
Right.

Tisha
02m 49s
You had to look at them really closely to tell them apart.
You had to look at them really closely to tell them apart.

Erez
02m 52s
Yeah, like, I think the White, the MX White, aka "Milk", had, like, a little nub or something. Like, a teeny-tiny protrusion, I think. On the stem or something. Anyways...
Yeah, like, I think the White, the MX White, aka "Milk", had, like, a little nub or something. Like, a teeny-tiny protrusion, I think. On the stem or something. Anyways...

Tisha
03m 03s
Oh, you could be right. All I know is that the Clear was, like, slightly more translucent-looking. [laughs] Anyway, also if you buy the switch sample pack, the "variety pack" of switches for us, I believe that the ones that are available right now still do have a Cherry MX White switch in them. 'Cause we put those variety packs together when we still had stock of Cherry MX White switches. So, that may be a little confusing for some people. Sorry about that [laughs].
Oh, you could be right. All I know is that the Clear was, like, slightly more translucent-looking. [laughs] Anyway, also if you buy the switch sample pack, the "variety pack" of switches for us, I believe that the ones that are available right now still do have a Cherry MX White switch in them. 'Cause we put those variety packs together when we still had stock of Cherry MX White switches. So, that may be a little confusing for some people. Sorry about that [laughs].

Erez
03m 36s
Or a way to get your hands on a vintage switch.
Or a way to get your hands on a vintage switch.

Tisha
03m 39s
That's true. Maybe you could sell it on eBay for, like, $500.
That's true. Maybe you could sell it on eBay for, like, $500.

Erez
03m 45s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Tisha
03m 45s
I don't know. Please do not quote me on that [laughs].
I don't know. Please do not quote me on that [laughs].

Erez
03m 48s
[laughs] So, really what's available now is the Box White. The Kailh Box White.
[laughs] So, really what's available now is the Box White. The Kailh Box White.

Tisha
03m 54s
Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes.

Erez
03m 55s
So what sort of switch is that?
So what sort of switch is that?

Tisha
03m 57s
Well, it also is a clicky switch. We kind of describe it as having a muted click. It is a sort of light/medium weight switch. I believe its force rating is the same as Cherry MX Brown and Kailh Box Brown? Although, it, you know, it feels different. As, you know, as it would, 'cause it's a different type of switch. So, it's not heavy, but not super light and it's clicky, but not particularly loud. Those are the basics.
Well, it also is a clicky switch. We kind of describe it as having a muted click. It is a sort of light/medium weight switch. I believe its force rating is the same as Cherry MX Brown and Kailh Box Brown? Although, it, you know, it feels different. As, you know, as it would, 'cause it's a different type of switch. So, it's not heavy, but not super light and it's clicky, but not particularly loud. Those are the basics.

Erez
04m 31s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
04m 32s
It's a Box switch, so it's got the little box around the stem and it is an RGB switch. So, it's available for Moonlander and for the Glow keyboards. But, because it's a Box switch, it's not available for the ErgoDox EZ Original or Shine or for the Planck EZ without backlighting, because of keycap compatibility issues.
It's a Box switch, so it's got the little box around the stem and it is an RGB switch. So, it's available for Moonlander and for the Glow keyboards. But, because it's a Box switch, it's not available for the ErgoDox EZ Original or Shine or for the Planck EZ without backlighting, because of keycap compatibility issues.

Erez
05m 02s
Right. You know, speaking of the general Box design. When doing a bit of research for this episode I came across the Kono website. Kono.store. It's-
Right. You know, speaking of the general Box design. When doing a bit of research for this episode I came across the Kono website. Kono.store. It's-

Tisha
05m 10s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
05m 10s
They sell nice mechanical keyboards.
They sell nice mechanical keyboards.

Tisha
05m 12s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
05m 13s
And they sell some loose Box White switches and I really like their copy. They say here... And I guess this goes for all box switches. It says, "The slider design and sealed contacts provide superior contaminant protection." You know, like, it sounds very hardcore.
And they sell some loose Box White switches and I really like their copy. They say here... And I guess this goes for all box switches. It says, "The slider design and sealed contacts provide superior contaminant protection." You know, like, it sounds very hardcore.

Tisha
05m 29s
Yeah [laughs].
Yeah [laughs].

Erez
05m 29s
"If liquids or dust somehow penetrate a switch, lower housing vents and a slider drainage port eject the unwanted substances." I like that. I don't know, that's a piece of copy that I like.
"If liquids or dust somehow penetrate a switch, lower housing vents and a slider drainage port eject the unwanted substances." I like that. I don't know, that's a piece of copy that I like.

Tisha
05m 41s
[laughs] Yeah.
[laughs] Yeah.

Erez
05m 42s
And it makes me feel good about Box switches. Like, man, like, those are very serious switches.
And it makes me feel good about Box switches. Like, man, like, those are very serious switches.

Tisha
05m 47s
Right.
Right.

Erez
05m 47s
So...
So...

Tisha
05m 48s
Yeah, that's cool. I guess the one thing that would worry me a little bit about that, the eject part, is that where it's gonna eject stuff, is, like, right onto your PCB.
Yeah, that's cool. I guess the one thing that would worry me a little bit about that, the eject part, is that where it's gonna eject stuff, is, like, right onto your PCB.

Erez
05m 58s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Tisha
06m 00s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Erez
06m 00s
That- that is a fair point. Yes, it will eject it onto the circuit board.
That- that is a fair point. Yes, it will eject it onto the circuit board.

Tisha
06m 05s
Right. So, I wouldn't count on them to protect your keyboard from spills, but the switches themselves are gonna be a little more resilient, I guess. It's how I might think about it.
Right. So, I wouldn't count on them to protect your keyboard from spills, but the switches themselves are gonna be a little more resilient, I guess. It's how I might think about it.

Erez
06m 17s
Right. Which, actually, I mean, if you catch a spill on time, it does allow you to quickly, you know, pop everything off, open the housing and just wipe down the circuit board and maybe you'll be okay. Like, some people have done that, right?
Right. Which, actually, I mean, if you catch a spill on time, it does allow you to quickly, you know, pop everything off, open the housing and just wipe down the circuit board and maybe you'll be okay. Like, some people have done that, right?

Tisha
06m 29s
Right. Right. Or just, like, everyday dust. They probably are better protected from, you know, just everyday dust and stuff that totally does get onto and into your keyboard. And, your minor, like, little drips and stuff that- that happen.
Right. Right. Or just, like, everyday dust. They probably are better protected from, you know, just everyday dust and stuff that totally does get onto and into your keyboard. And, your minor, like, little drips and stuff that- that happen.

Erez
06m 44s
Cat hair proof.
Cat hair proof.

Tisha
06m 45s
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Oh my goodness. Yeah.

Erez
06m 47s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Tisha
06m 47s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Erez
06m 49s
Okay. This, like, this kind of level of environmental protection goes to all Box switches, like we said.
Okay. This, like, this kind of level of environmental protection goes to all Box switches, like we said.

Tisha
06m 54s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
06m 54s
But if we go back to the White-
But if we go back to the White-

Tisha
06m 56s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
06m 56s
So, I guess I almost always ask this. Who is a good candidate for a Box White switch? Like, who should think about maybe getting one or trying one out?
So, I guess I almost always ask this. Who is a good candidate for a Box White switch? Like, who should think about maybe getting one or trying one out?

Tisha
07m 07s
I tend to kind of think of them as sitting between one of the Brown switches and the Cherry MX Blue because they're clicky, which the Blue switch is, but they're not as loud. And they're lower-pitched. So, if you think you might like something clicky, but maybe a somewhat more officemate/housemate-friendly click [laughs]. This might be a good option. Or if you're thinking, "I like the sound of a tactile switch like a Brown switch, but I want something [laughs] just a little bit more." You know. "I want something just a little extra."
I tend to kind of think of them as sitting between one of the Brown switches and the Cherry MX Blue because they're clicky, which the Blue switch is, but they're not as loud. And they're lower-pitched. So, if you think you might like something clicky, but maybe a somewhat more officemate/housemate-friendly click [laughs]. This might be a good option. Or if you're thinking, "I like the sound of a tactile switch like a Brown switch, but I want something [laughs] just a little bit more." You know. "I want something just a little extra."

Erez
07m 44s
Right. Although, these would be lighter than the Brown, right? In terms of, like, the actual actuation force?
Right. Although, these would be lighter than the Brown, right? In terms of, like, the actual actuation force?

Tisha
07m 51s
They might be rated so, but to me, they feel just the tiniest bit heavier than the Kailh Box Brown which might be just because of the clicker.
They might be rated so, but to me, they feel just the tiniest bit heavier than the Kailh Box Brown which might be just because of the clicker.

Erez
08m 03s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Tisha
08m 03s
I don't know if they have a bar or a leaf or, you know, what mechanism they use. But, you know, there's-
I don't know if they have a bar or a leaf or, you know, what mechanism they use. But, you know, there's-

Erez
08m 08s
I think it's a bar.
I think it's a bar.

Tisha
08m 08s
Right. So there's another little something in there, probably just adding a tiny bit more resistance. And I think that the bump on the Kailh Box White feels just a tiny bit firmer than the Kailh Box Brown.
Right. So there's another little something in there, probably just adding a tiny bit more resistance. And I think that the bump on the Kailh Box White feels just a tiny bit firmer than the Kailh Box Brown.

Erez
08m 25s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
08m 27s
So, yeah.
So, yeah.

Erez
08m 27s
So, if I like the idea of having a clicky switch, but maybe my, like you said, my officemates or housemates are not excited about the idea-
So, if I like the idea of having a clicky switch, but maybe my, like you said, my officemates or housemates are not excited about the idea-

Tisha
08m 36s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Erez
08m 36s
Then it would be a good switch to, kind of almost a compromise.
Then it would be a good switch to, kind of almost a compromise.

Tisha
08m 40s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Erez
08m 41s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
08m 42s
Yeah. If the people that you share a space with really want things quiet, then maybe not [laughs]. But, if you think going, say, one step above, in noise level. One step above a standard tactile switch, then this might be a good choice. I might think of, say, a Blue switch compared to a Brown switch, as being two or three steps in noise level to use a shaky metaphor [laughs]. There's quite a bit of difference. There's less difference between the Kailh Box White and a tactile switch in noise level.
Yeah. If the people that you share a space with really want things quiet, then maybe not [laughs]. But, if you think going, say, one step above, in noise level. One step above a standard tactile switch, then this might be a good choice. I might think of, say, a Blue switch compared to a Brown switch, as being two or three steps in noise level to use a shaky metaphor [laughs]. There's quite a bit of difference. There's less difference between the Kailh Box White and a tactile switch in noise level.

Erez
09m 19s
Right. And so, going back to the tactility of it. So-
Right. And so, going back to the tactility of it. So-

Tisha
09m 23s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
09m 24s
If I understand correctly, you say that, as a result, maybe as a result of having a click bar-
If I understand correctly, you say that, as a result, maybe as a result of having a click bar-

Tisha
09m 30s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
09m 30s
The tactile aspect of it is crisper? Than, let's say, a Brown?
The tactile aspect of it is crisper? Than, let's say, a Brown?

Tisha
09m 35s
Yeah. A little bit.
Yeah. A little bit.

Erez
09m 36s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
09m 37s
It's not a huge difference, but it's a little difference.
It's not a huge difference, but it's a little difference.

Erez
09m 39s
Do you have a board with, or some Box Whites on hand?
Do you have a board with, or some Box Whites on hand?

Tisha
09m 42s
I do, yeah. I don't know if you can hear this, but this is a Kailh Box Brown.
I do, yeah. I don't know if you can hear this, but this is a Kailh Box Brown.

Erez
09m 46s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
09m 48s
And this is the Box White.
And this is the Box White.

Erez
09m 52s
Oh, interesting. So, the click is actually very subtle. You know-
Oh, interesting. So, the click is actually very subtle. You know-

Tisha
09m 57s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Erez
09m 57s
Had you played that to me and said, "Is that a clicky switch?" I don't even know if I would say, "Yes, it's clicky." Like, it really blends in there.
Had you played that to me and said, "Is that a clicky switch?" I don't even know if I would say, "Yes, it's clicky." Like, it really blends in there.

Tisha
10m 05s
Yeah. It really does. It's maybe just a little bit louder. A little bit louder tactile.
Yeah. It really does. It's maybe just a little bit louder. A little bit louder tactile.

Erez
10m 11s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
10m 11s
If you really listen you can... kinda hear that. It's almost more like a crunch than a click. I think typing on it quickly, it's almost more like the sound of walking on gravel.
If you really listen you can... kinda hear that. It's almost more like a crunch than a click. I think typing on it quickly, it's almost more like the sound of walking on gravel.

Erez
10m 29s
Interesting. So it's not very high-pitched.
Interesting. So it's not very high-pitched.

Tisha
10m 32s
Right. Right. So, here's blue. Which has that kind of ticky sound.
Right. Right. So, here's blue. Which has that kind of ticky sound.

Erez
10m 41s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Tisha
10m 41s
And White.
And White.

Erez
10m 43s
Oh, definitely lower-pitched.
Oh, definitely lower-pitched.

Tisha
10m 45s
Right. I'll always say this when we play the sounds of switches: this is how they sound in my keyboards, on my desk, in my room, under my fingers. All of those elements are gonna be different for you. I would use these sounds that you hear as general guidelines, but I would expect things to sound different for you. Because they're gonna be used differently. Your environment and your use is gonna be a bit different than mine. Or maybe a lot different.
Right. I'll always say this when we play the sounds of switches: this is how they sound in my keyboards, on my desk, in my room, under my fingers. All of those elements are gonna be different for you. I would use these sounds that you hear as general guidelines, but I would expect things to sound different for you. Because they're gonna be used differently. Your environment and your use is gonna be a bit different than mine. Or maybe a lot different.

Erez
11m 13s
Makes sense.
Makes sense.

Tisha
11m 14s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Erez
11m 14s
I have to say, you know, I've never given the Box White switches very serious thought. Like, this is the first time I've been really considering them since we've decided to start offering them, of course, when I first looked at them.
I have to say, you know, I've never given the Box White switches very serious thought. Like, this is the first time I've been really considering them since we've decided to start offering them, of course, when I first looked at them.

Tisha
11m 27s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].

Erez
11m 28s
And this is gonna make me wanna try them out. Maybe I'll, [laughs] maybe I'll outfit a board with Box Whites. I mean it's a nice switch. Like, something that's clicky, but not too demanding and that maybe is okay for a call, even. Possibly. Like, to be typing on while you're on a call. That sounds pretty good.
And this is gonna make me wanna try them out. Maybe I'll, [laughs] maybe I'll outfit a board with Box Whites. I mean it's a nice switch. Like, something that's clicky, but not too demanding and that maybe is okay for a call, even. Possibly. Like, to be typing on while you're on a call. That sounds pretty good.

Tisha
11m 44s
Right. I would say, if you're on a call and your microphone isn't, like, right by your keyboard, then, yeah. Might not be too bad. Like, I'm using a headset mic right now. Not one sitting on my desk. I'm at a standing desk. So, I'm standing above the keyboard, the microphone is right in front of my face [laughs] and if I don't put it any closer to the keyboard and just press the switch. I mean, clearly you're gonna hear that, but maybe it's not so loud that it, I- I don't know. What do you think?
Right. I would say, if you're on a call and your microphone isn't, like, right by your keyboard, then, yeah. Might not be too bad. Like, I'm using a headset mic right now. Not one sitting on my desk. I'm at a standing desk. So, I'm standing above the keyboard, the microphone is right in front of my face [laughs] and if I don't put it any closer to the keyboard and just press the switch. I mean, clearly you're gonna hear that, but maybe it's not so loud that it, I- I don't know. What do you think?

Erez
12m 17s
Yeah. You know, it's, that's an interesting point. I think, in general, with regards to typing sounds while on calls. Because, if they're not too loud, it almost connotes, like, "Oh, I'm being productive." You know?
Yeah. You know, it's, that's an interesting point. I think, in general, with regards to typing sounds while on calls. Because, if they're not too loud, it almost connotes, like, "Oh, I'm being productive." You know?

Tisha
12m 29s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Erez
12m 29s
Like, "I'm- I'm taking notes-"
Like, "I'm- I'm taking notes-"

Tisha
12m 31s
[laughs] Exactly.
[laughs] Exactly.

Erez
12m 31s
And, "I'm engaged."
And, "I'm engaged."

Tisha
12m 33s
Right.
Right.

Erez
12m 33s
And then, if it's, like, super loud. It's "I'm derailing the call." [laughs]
And then, if it's, like, super loud. It's "I'm derailing the call." [laughs]

Tisha
12m 37s
Right, exactly [laughs]. Depending on who else is on the call for you, or whatever, it could also connote, you know, "I'm posting to Twitter." But, you know, but who knows. [laughs]
Right, exactly [laughs]. Depending on who else is on the call for you, or whatever, it could also connote, you know, "I'm posting to Twitter." But, you know, but who knows. [laughs]

Erez
12m 47s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Tisha
12m 47s
But yeah. I think, I think it's a really nice-feeling switch and I kinda think that if you're wavering between tactile and clicky, then it might be something to think about. You get a little bit of the best of both worlds and a little bit less of some of the downsides. Like, some clicky switches are really pretty firm. Pretty heavy. Which some people really like and other people don't. This is a clicky switch that is really not heavy.
But yeah. I think, I think it's a really nice-feeling switch and I kinda think that if you're wavering between tactile and clicky, then it might be something to think about. You get a little bit of the best of both worlds and a little bit less of some of the downsides. Like, some clicky switches are really pretty firm. Pretty heavy. Which some people really like and other people don't. This is a clicky switch that is really not heavy.

Erez
13m 17s
Right.
Right.

Tisha
13m 18s
You know, And not super loud. I guess if you already know that you like something that feels kinda like a Brown switch this would be an easy transition. I think.
You know, And not super loud. I guess if you already know that you like something that feels kinda like a Brown switch this would be an easy transition. I think.

Erez
13m 27s
That makes sense. I find it interesting that, often the switches that are friendliest to everyday use and are actually the most attractive in practice are not switches that make a statement. I always talk about the Kailh Thick Gold. Which is super duper clicky and I love the sound of that, but really, in the everyday, as we've mentioned, I type on a Silver, which is a very sedate type of key, right?
That makes sense. I find it interesting that, often the switches that are friendliest to everyday use and are actually the most attractive in practice are not switches that make a statement. I always talk about the Kailh Thick Gold. Which is super duper clicky and I love the sound of that, but really, in the everyday, as we've mentioned, I type on a Silver, which is a very sedate type of key, right?

Tisha
13m 55s
Right.
Right.

Erez
13m 56s
So, to me, it's just, it's interesting, because in tech, I think in general, we tend to go for the big, bold statements. You know, everything has to be cranked up to 11.
So, to me, it's just, it's interesting, because in tech, I think in general, we tend to go for the big, bold statements. You know, everything has to be cranked up to 11.

Tisha
14m 09s
[laughs] Right.
[laughs] Right.

Erez
14m 11s
But then when it comes to an object that you touch, and type on millions of characters, or more, I don't know. Then suddenly, that kind of brashness is less helpful. Like, you might want something that's a little bit more laid-back, that's a little less dramatic. Right? And I see that in the switches, in the sense that you read the spec or you even talk about the switch and it sounds a little bit boring, but then you use it and it's just a joy to use.
But then when it comes to an object that you touch, and type on millions of characters, or more, I don't know. Then suddenly, that kind of brashness is less helpful. Like, you might want something that's a little bit more laid-back, that's a little less dramatic. Right? And I see that in the switches, in the sense that you read the spec or you even talk about the switch and it sounds a little bit boring, but then you use it and it's just a joy to use.

Tisha
14m 37s
Right. As you were saying that, I was kind of thinking about cars. Like, if you have a family. Say, you have, you and your partner and a couple of kids. It's like, "Oh, do I really want a minivan? They're so boring." But you know what? [laughs] If you are packing in some kids and maybe their friends and maybe a couple of dogs and stuff. Your two-seater sports car might be really fun for some day trips, some nice outings, but for hauling the kids back and forth to school and to practice and to friends' houses and stuff, that minivan works... that's your workhorse [laughs].
Right. As you were saying that, I was kind of thinking about cars. Like, if you have a family. Say, you have, you and your partner and a couple of kids. It's like, "Oh, do I really want a minivan? They're so boring." But you know what? [laughs] If you are packing in some kids and maybe their friends and maybe a couple of dogs and stuff. Your two-seater sports car might be really fun for some day trips, some nice outings, but for hauling the kids back and forth to school and to practice and to friends' houses and stuff, that minivan works... that's your workhorse [laughs].

Erez
15m 13s
Right. Yeah, no I get that. Although, I will say, if we're going minivan, like, to me, the minivan of keyswitches is the Brown.
Right. Yeah, no I get that. Although, I will say, if we're going minivan, like, to me, the minivan of keyswitches is the Brown.

Tisha
15m 19s
Sure.
Sure.

Erez
15m 20s
Like, that would be the workhorse. I don't know what car the MX White would be- the Box White would be [laughs].
Like, that would be the workhorse. I don't know what car the MX White would be- the Box White would be [laughs].

Tisha
15m 27s
Maybe it's a plug-in electric minivan [laughs].
Maybe it's a plug-in electric minivan [laughs].

Erez
15m 30s
[laughs] It's got utility, but maybe a little bit more.
[laughs] It's got utility, but maybe a little bit more.

Tisha
15m 33s
Right. Right.
Right. Right.

Erez
15m 35s
I like it.
I like it.

Tisha
15m 37s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Erez
15m 37s
Awesome.
Awesome.

Tisha
15m 38s
Right. Or, maybe it's getting the 6-cylinder instead of the four [laughs].
Right. Or, maybe it's getting the 6-cylinder instead of the four [laughs].

Erez
15m 42s
[laughs]
[laughs]

Tisha
15m 42s
So, I think it's kind of a fun switch, as you were saying, not as flashy and extreme and up-to-eleven as some of the really clicky or, you know, super tactile or super heavy switches. It's a good, everyday switch for heavy use, I think. If you still kinda want a little bit of a click.
So, I think it's kind of a fun switch, as you were saying, not as flashy and extreme and up-to-eleven as some of the really clicky or, you know, super tactile or super heavy switches. It's a good, everyday switch for heavy use, I think. If you still kinda want a little bit of a click.

Erez
16m 05s
That makes sense. Awesome.
That makes sense. Awesome.

Tisha
16m 06s
Yeah.
Yeah.

Erez
16m 07s
Anything else we wanna say about the Box White?
Anything else we wanna say about the Box White?

Tisha
16m 10s
I think that pretty much covers it.
I think that pretty much covers it.

Erez
16m 11s
Sounds good. Well thank you very much, then. I guess we'll talk again on the next one.
Sounds good. Well thank you very much, then. I guess we'll talk again on the next one.

Tisha
16m 16s
Sure. Thank you.
Sure. Thank you.

Erez
16m 17s
[laughs] Talk soon.
[laughs] Talk soon.

Tisha
16m 18s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Bye-bye.
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Bye-bye.

Erez
16m 19s
Bye.
Bye.