White

Hello and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. 2 00:00:07,957 --> 00:00:13,937 I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and support lead. 3 00:00:14,227 --> 00:00:15,267 How are you today, Tisha? 4 00:00:15,577 --> 00:00:16,957 Tisha: Hi, I'm doing okay. 5 00:00:16,987 --> 00:00:17,507 How are you? 6 00:00:18,067 --> 00:00:18,677 Erez: Good, good. 7 00:00:18,837 --> 00:00:19,667 Can't complain. 8 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:21,187 Well, I can complain- 9 00:00:21,187 --> 00:00:21,412 Tisha: [laughs] Right. 10 00:00:21,412 --> 00:00:25,907 Erez: 'Cause it is actually a bit cloudy and rainy, but not too bad. 11 00:00:25,907 --> 00:00:27,617 I mean, all in all, I'm happy. 12 00:00:27,807 --> 00:00:28,227 Tisha: Sure. 13 00:00:28,257 --> 00:00:30,697 It's like five million degrees here. 14 00:00:31,097 --> 00:00:31,397 So- 15 00:00:31,397 --> 00:00:32,017 Erez: [laughs] 16 00:00:32,637 --> 00:00:35,507 Tisha: [laughs] Uh, definitely worth complaining about, but yeah. 17 00:00:35,597 --> 00:00:37,937 Other than that, I guess everything's okay [laughs]. 18 00:00:37,937 --> 00:00:38,467 Erez: That's good. 19 00:00:38,727 --> 00:00:39,187 That's good. 20 00:00:40,014 --> 00:00:41,161 So, White. 21 00:00:41,891 --> 00:00:42,431 Tisha: Yeah. 22 00:00:42,465 --> 00:00:44,255 Erez: What switches are we gonna talk about today? 23 00:00:44,505 --> 00:00:48,665 Tisha: Well, we're really only going to talk, in detail, about one. 24 00:00:49,155 --> 00:00:50,555 Which is the Kailh Box White. 25 00:00:50,865 --> 00:00:52,735 We used to carry two White switches. 26 00:00:52,735 --> 00:01:02,512 The other one being, as you might be able to guess, Cherry MX White, but Cherry discontinued that switch, so we no longer carry it either [laughs]. 27 00:01:03,481 --> 00:01:14,161 There are keyboards out there, of ours, that have this switch, so, if anyone is familiar with it and maybe wants to compare it to the Kailh Box White, we can talk a little bit about it. 28 00:01:15,001 --> 00:01:25,412 It was a kinda slightly heavier, maybe medium-weight, clicky switch with a muted-sounding, kinda lower-pitched click. 29 00:01:25,672 --> 00:01:26,142 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 30 00:01:26,222 --> 00:01:30,172 Tisha: Than something like a Cherry MX Blue, for example. 31 00:01:30,642 --> 00:01:31,402 But, yeah. 32 00:01:31,442 --> 00:01:40,812 It isn't being made anymore and, confusingly, there also is a switch called Cherry MX Nature White. 33 00:01:40,875 --> 00:01:42,355 Which was something different. 34 00:01:42,775 --> 00:01:43,955 Erez: Nature White? 35 00:01:44,005 --> 00:01:44,640 Tisha: Yes [laughs]. 36 00:01:44,645 --> 00:01:48,105 Erez: So, basically the type of switch that you'd just find, like, in the woods. 37 00:01:48,295 --> 00:01:49,075 In the wild. 38 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:50,285 Tisha: Yeah, I guess so. 39 00:01:50,285 --> 00:01:52,125 Maybe they grew on some sort of tree [laughs]. 40 00:01:52,215 --> 00:01:52,935 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 41 00:01:52,935 --> 00:01:53,175 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 42 00:01:53,295 --> 00:01:56,862 Tisha: I think Cherry also may have discontinued those as well. 43 00:01:56,892 --> 00:01:58,692 I am not really sure. 44 00:01:59,212 --> 00:02:09,126 Now, I guess it's been a little while since I've looked, but the last time I looked, the information about Cherry MX Nature White was not very conclusive [laughs]. 45 00:02:09,126 --> 00:02:09,706 Erez: Interesting. 46 00:02:09,850 --> 00:02:10,060 Tisha: Yeah. 47 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,910 So, I think that Cherry is not making a switch with "white" in its name right now. 48 00:02:16,820 --> 00:02:24,710 Erez: I think my favorite piece of trivia on the MX White is that, in Asia, it used to be called Milk. 49 00:02:24,758 --> 00:02:28,728 Apparently, they called the MX Clear, "White" in Asia. 50 00:02:28,898 --> 00:02:33,528 So, then they ended up calling the White, "Milk." 51 00:02:34,128 --> 00:02:35,088 Tisha: Oh, interesting. 52 00:02:35,888 --> 00:02:35,928 Erez: [laughs] 53 00:02:36,398 --> 00:02:43,397 Tisha: I mean, it was confusing no matter what because you had White and Clear, in English-speaking and just maybe outside of Asia. 54 00:02:43,927 --> 00:02:47,277 But both of them had, basically, white stems [laughs]. 55 00:02:47,917 --> 00:02:48,257 Erez: Right. 56 00:02:48,257 --> 00:02:50,887 Tisha: You had to look at them really closely to tell them apart. 57 00:02:51,477 --> 00:02:56,607 Erez: Yeah, like, I think the White, the MX White, aka "Milk", had, like, a little nub or something. 58 00:02:56,607 --> 00:02:59,747 Like, a teeny-tiny protrusion, I think. 59 00:02:59,987 --> 00:03:01,497 On the stem or something. 60 00:03:01,657 --> 00:03:01,837 Anyways... 61 00:03:01,867 --> 00:03:03,337 Tisha: Oh, you could be right. 62 00:03:03,407 --> 00:03:09,577 All I know is that the Clear was, like, slightly more translucent-looking. 63 00:03:09,847 --> 00:03:25,230 [laughs] Anyway, also if you buy the switch sample pack, the "variety pack" of switches for us, I believe that the ones that are available right now still do have a Cherry MX White switch in them. 64 00:03:25,230 --> 00:03:31,170 'Cause we put those variety packs together when we still had stock of Cherry MX White switches. 65 00:03:31,306 --> 00:03:33,826 So, that may be a little confusing for some people. 66 00:03:33,966 --> 00:03:35,146 Sorry about that [laughs]. 67 00:03:35,506 --> 00:03:38,216 Erez: Or a way to get your hands on a vintage switch. 68 00:03:38,426 --> 00:03:39,006 Tisha: That's true. 69 00:03:39,036 --> 00:03:42,146 Maybe you could sell it on eBay for, like, $500. 70 00:03:43,806 --> 00:03:43,846 Erez: [laughs] 71 00:03:44,236 --> 00:03:44,686 Tisha: I don't know. 72 00:03:44,696 --> 00:03:46,756 Please do not quote me on that [laughs]. 73 00:03:46,756 --> 00:03:52,063 Erez: [laughs] So, really what's available now is the Box White. 74 00:03:52,163 --> 00:03:53,103 The Kailh Box White. 75 00:03:53,103 --> 00:03:53,198 Tisha: Yes. 76 00:03:53,293 --> 00:03:53,773 Yes. 77 00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:55,203 Erez: So what sort of switch is that? 78 00:03:55,633 --> 00:03:58,823 Tisha: Well, it also is a clicky switch. 79 00:03:58,873 --> 00:04:02,203 We kind of describe it as having a muted click. 80 00:04:02,326 --> 00:04:08,096 It is a sort of light/medium weight switch. 81 00:04:08,116 --> 00:04:16,446 I believe its force rating is the same as Cherry MX Brown and Kailh Box Brown? 82 00:04:16,706 --> 00:04:18,756 Although, it, you know, it feels different. 83 00:04:18,806 --> 00:04:21,116 As, you know, as it would, 'cause it's a different type of switch. 84 00:04:21,706 --> 00:04:27,734 So, it's not heavy, but not super light and it's clicky, but not particularly loud. 85 00:04:28,208 --> 00:04:29,138 Those are the basics. 86 00:04:29,708 --> 00:04:30,085 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 87 00:04:30,085 --> 00:04:30,440 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 88 00:04:30,588 --> 00:04:38,568 Tisha: It's a Box switch, so it's got the little box around the stem and it is an RGB switch. 89 00:04:38,598 --> 00:04:43,698 So, it's available for Moonlander and for the Glow keyboards. 90 00:04:44,148 --> 00:04:59,658 But, because it's a Box switch, it's not available for the ErgoDox EZ Original or Shine or for the Planck EZ without backlighting, because of keycap compatibility issues. 91 00:05:00,088 --> 00:05:00,448 Erez: Right. 92 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:03,248 You know, speaking of the general Box design. 93 00:05:03,248 --> 00:05:07,514 When doing a bit of research for this episode I came across the Kono website. 94 00:05:07,544 --> 00:05:08,394 Kono.store. 95 00:05:08,394 --> 00:05:08,424 It's- 96 00:05:08,424 --> 00:05:08,744 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 97 00:05:08,904 --> 00:05:10,434 Erez: They sell nice mechanical keyboards. 98 00:05:10,734 --> 00:05:10,894 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 99 00:05:10,924 --> 00:05:15,584 Erez: And they sell some loose Box White switches and I really like their copy. 100 00:05:15,974 --> 00:05:16,854 They say here... 101 00:05:16,854 --> 00:05:19,414 And I guess this goes for all box switches. 102 00:05:19,414 --> 00:05:25,304 It says, "The slider design and sealed contacts provide superior contaminant protection." 103 00:05:25,434 --> 00:05:26,864 You know, like, it sounds very hardcore. 104 00:05:27,084 --> 00:05:27,274 Tisha: Yeah [laughs]. 105 00:05:27,344 --> 00:05:36,064 Erez: "If liquids or dust somehow penetrate a switch, lower housing vents and a slider drainage port eject the unwanted substances." 106 00:05:36,904 --> 00:05:37,504 I like that. 107 00:05:37,524 --> 00:05:39,399 I don't know, that's a piece of copy that I like. 108 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:40,154 Tisha: [laughs] Yeah. 109 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:42,364 Erez: And it makes me feel good about Box switches. 110 00:05:42,364 --> 00:05:44,984 Like, man, like, those are very serious switches. 111 00:05:45,074 --> 00:05:45,544 Tisha: Right. 112 00:05:45,674 --> 00:05:45,904 Erez: So... 113 00:05:45,914 --> 00:05:46,574 Tisha: Yeah, that's cool. 114 00:05:46,594 --> 00:05:55,904 I guess the one thing that would worry me a little bit about that, the eject part, is that where it's gonna eject stuff, is, like, right onto your PCB. 115 00:05:55,924 --> 00:05:57,159 Erez: [laughs] 116 00:05:58,394 --> 00:05:58,434 Tisha: [laughs] 117 00:05:58,444 --> 00:06:00,264 Erez: That- that is a fair point. 118 00:06:00,274 --> 00:06:02,554 Yes, it will eject it onto the circuit board. 119 00:06:02,664 --> 00:06:03,034 Tisha: Right. 120 00:06:03,134 --> 00:06:13,454 So, I wouldn't count on them to protect your keyboard from spills, but the switches themselves are gonna be a little more resilient, I guess. 121 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,034 It's how I might think about it. 122 00:06:15,384 --> 00:06:15,624 Erez: Right. 123 00:06:15,624 --> 00:06:25,104 Which, actually, I mean, if you catch a spill on time, it does allow you to quickly, you know, pop everything off, open the housing and just wipe down the circuit board and maybe you'll be okay. 124 00:06:25,104 --> 00:06:27,044 Like, some people have done that, right? 125 00:06:27,234 --> 00:06:27,574 Tisha: Right. 126 00:06:27,644 --> 00:06:27,954 Right. 127 00:06:28,654 --> 00:06:30,094 Or just, like, everyday dust. 128 00:06:30,294 --> 00:06:37,464 They probably are better protected from, you know, just everyday dust and stuff that totally does get onto and into your keyboard. 129 00:06:37,834 --> 00:06:41,144 And, your minor, like, little drips and stuff that- that happen. 130 00:06:41,564 --> 00:06:42,664 Erez: Cat hair proof. 131 00:06:42,834 --> 00:06:43,774 Tisha: Oh my goodness. 132 00:06:43,804 --> 00:06:44,184 Yeah. 133 00:06:44,634 --> 00:06:44,674 Erez: [laughs] 134 00:06:44,674 --> 00:06:46,409 Tisha: [laughs] 135 00:06:46,861 --> 00:06:47,291 Erez: Okay. 136 00:06:47,471 --> 00:06:51,463 This, like, this kind of level of environmental protection goes to all Box switches, like we said. 137 00:06:51,463 --> 00:06:51,595 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 138 00:06:51,661 --> 00:06:53,451 Erez: But if we go back to the White- 139 00:06:53,451 --> 00:06:53,864 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 140 00:06:54,071 --> 00:06:57,441 Erez: So, I guess I almost always ask this. 141 00:06:57,561 --> 00:07:00,201 Who is a good candidate for a Box White switch? 142 00:07:00,201 --> 00:07:03,351 Like, who should think about maybe getting one or trying one out? 143 00:07:04,561 --> 00:07:16,331 Tisha: I tend to kind of think of them as sitting between one of the Brown switches and the Cherry MX Blue because they're clicky, which the Blue switch is, but they're not as loud. 144 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:17,861 And they're lower-pitched. 145 00:07:18,121 --> 00:07:27,538 So, if you think you might like something clicky, but maybe a somewhat more officemate/housemate-friendly click [laughs]. 146 00:07:28,218 --> 00:07:29,708 This might be a good option. 147 00:07:30,028 --> 00:07:39,658 Or if you're thinking, "I like the sound of a tactile switch like a Brown switch, but I want something [laughs] just a little bit more." 148 00:07:39,698 --> 00:07:39,988 You know. 149 00:07:39,988 --> 00:07:41,508 "I want something just a little extra." 150 00:07:41,597 --> 00:07:41,887 Erez: Right. 151 00:07:42,297 --> 00:07:45,137 Although, these would be lighter than the Brown, right? 152 00:07:45,167 --> 00:07:47,397 In terms of, like, the actual actuation force? 153 00:07:48,047 --> 00:08:00,527 Tisha: They might be rated so, but to me, they feel just the tiniest bit heavier than the Kailh Box Brown which might be just because of the clicker. 154 00:08:00,537 --> 00:08:00,557 Erez: Yeah. 155 00:08:00,607 --> 00:08:04,057 Tisha: I don't know if they have a bar or a leaf or, you know, what mechanism they use. 156 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:04,927 But, you know, there's- 157 00:08:04,927 --> 00:08:05,537 Erez: I think it's a bar. 158 00:08:05,607 --> 00:08:05,987 Tisha: Right. 159 00:08:06,217 --> 00:08:11,787 So there's another little something in there, probably just adding a tiny bit more resistance. 160 00:08:12,177 --> 00:08:21,611 And I think that the bump on the Kailh Box White feels just a tiny bit firmer than the Kailh Box Brown. 161 00:08:21,921 --> 00:08:23,671 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 162 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:23,941 Tisha: So, yeah. 163 00:08:23,941 --> 00:08:32,681 Erez: So, if I like the idea of having a clicky switch, but maybe my, like you said, my officemates or housemates are not excited about the idea- 164 00:08:33,261 --> 00:08:33,341 Tisha: [laughs] 165 00:08:33,341 --> 00:08:36,721 Erez: Then it would be a good switch to, kind of almost a compromise. 166 00:08:36,844 --> 00:08:37,304 Tisha: Yeah. 167 00:08:37,884 --> 00:08:38,464 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 168 00:08:38,724 --> 00:08:39,094 Tisha: Yeah. 169 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:44,979 If the people that you share a space with really want things quiet, then maybe not [laughs]. 170 00:08:45,669 --> 00:08:51,957 But, if you think going, say, one step above, in noise level. 171 00:08:51,957 --> 00:08:55,850 One step above a standard tactile switch, then this might be a good choice. 172 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:07,450 I might think of, say, a Blue switch compared to a Brown switch, as being two or three steps in noise level to use a shaky metaphor [laughs]. 173 00:09:07,460 --> 00:09:08,540 There's quite a bit of difference. 174 00:09:08,860 --> 00:09:15,280 There's less difference between the Kailh Box White and a tactile switch in noise level. 175 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:16,420 Erez: Right. 176 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:20,018 And so, going back to the tactility of it. 177 00:09:20,018 --> 00:09:20,124 So- 178 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:20,580 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 179 00:09:20,850 --> 00:09:25,970 Erez: If I understand correctly, you say that, as a result, maybe as a result of having a click bar- 180 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:26,485 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 181 00:09:26,570 --> 00:09:29,447 Erez: The tactile aspect of it is crisper? 182 00:09:29,827 --> 00:09:30,887 Than, let's say, a Brown? 183 00:09:31,197 --> 00:09:31,507 Tisha: Yeah. 184 00:09:31,537 --> 00:09:32,077 A little bit. 185 00:09:32,537 --> 00:09:32,964 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 186 00:09:32,964 --> 00:09:33,099 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 187 00:09:33,157 --> 00:09:35,667 Tisha: It's not a huge difference, but it's a little difference. 188 00:09:35,877 --> 00:09:38,617 Erez: Do you have a board with, or some Box Whites on hand? 189 00:09:38,617 --> 00:09:39,737 Tisha: I do, yeah. 190 00:09:39,827 --> 00:09:43,047 I don't know if you can hear this, but this is a Kailh Box Brown. 191 00:09:43,047 --> 00:09:44,737 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 192 00:09:45,057 --> 00:09:46,267 Tisha: And this is the Box White. 193 00:09:48,677 --> 00:09:49,807 Erez: Oh, interesting. 194 00:09:49,827 --> 00:09:52,097 So, the click is actually very subtle. 195 00:09:52,587 --> 00:09:53,027 You know- 196 00:09:53,136 --> 00:09:53,436 Tisha: Yeah. 197 00:09:53,436 --> 00:09:55,746 Erez: Had you played that to me and said, "Is that a clicky switch?" 198 00:09:55,796 --> 00:09:57,806 I don't even know if I would say, "Yes, it's clicky." 199 00:09:58,006 --> 00:10:00,566 Like, it really blends in there. 200 00:10:01,526 --> 00:10:02,136 Tisha: Yeah. 201 00:10:02,186 --> 00:10:03,066 It really does. 202 00:10:03,066 --> 00:10:04,836 It's maybe just a little bit louder. 203 00:10:05,196 --> 00:10:06,526 A little bit louder tactile. 204 00:10:07,256 --> 00:10:07,766 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 205 00:10:07,766 --> 00:10:08,942 Tisha: If you really listen you can... 206 00:10:10,972 --> 00:10:11,742 kinda hear that. 207 00:10:12,262 --> 00:10:14,562 It's almost more like a crunch than a click. 208 00:10:17,437 --> 00:10:25,237 I think typing on it quickly, it's almost more like the sound of walking on gravel. 209 00:10:25,522 --> 00:10:26,102 Erez: Interesting. 210 00:10:26,142 --> 00:10:27,702 So it's not very high-pitched. 211 00:10:28,022 --> 00:10:28,502 Tisha: Right. 212 00:10:28,802 --> 00:10:29,102 Right. 213 00:10:29,152 --> 00:10:31,472 So, here's blue. 214 00:10:34,182 --> 00:10:36,532 Which has that kind of ticky sound. 215 00:10:36,802 --> 00:10:37,302 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 216 00:10:37,422 --> 00:10:38,022 Tisha: And White. 217 00:10:39,592 --> 00:10:41,092 Erez: Oh, definitely lower-pitched. 218 00:10:41,172 --> 00:10:41,622 Tisha: Right. 219 00:10:41,736 --> 00:10:50,894 I'll always say this when we play the sounds of switches: this is how they sound in my keyboards, on my desk, in my room, under my fingers. 220 00:10:51,314 --> 00:10:54,094 All of those elements are gonna be different for you. 221 00:10:54,184 --> 00:11:02,164 I would use these sounds that you hear as general guidelines, but I would expect things to sound different for you. 222 00:11:02,434 --> 00:11:03,974 Because they're gonna be used differently. 223 00:11:03,984 --> 00:11:07,414 Your environment and your use is gonna be a bit different than mine. 224 00:11:07,534 --> 00:11:08,364 Or maybe a lot different. 225 00:11:08,747 --> 00:11:09,497 Erez: Makes sense. 226 00:11:09,727 --> 00:11:09,957 Tisha: Yeah. 227 00:11:10,247 --> 00:11:16,247 Erez: I have to say, you know, I've never given the Box White switches very serious thought. 228 00:11:16,257 --> 00:11:22,967 Like, this is the first time I've been really considering them since we've decided to start offering them, of course, when I first looked at them. 229 00:11:23,217 --> 00:11:23,592 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 230 00:11:23,717 --> 00:11:25,887 Erez: And this is gonna make me wanna try them out. 231 00:11:26,027 --> 00:11:28,827 Maybe I'll, [laughs] maybe I'll outfit a board with Box Whites. 232 00:11:28,827 --> 00:11:30,187 I mean it's a nice switch. 233 00:11:30,187 --> 00:11:36,267 Like, something that's clicky, but not too demanding and that maybe is okay for a call, even. 234 00:11:36,307 --> 00:11:36,737 Possibly. 235 00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:38,617 Like, to be typing on while you're on a call. 236 00:11:38,637 --> 00:11:39,537 That sounds pretty good. 237 00:11:40,137 --> 00:11:40,467 Tisha: Right. 238 00:11:40,517 --> 00:11:47,117 I would say, if you're on a call and your microphone isn't, like, right by your keyboard, then, yeah. 239 00:11:47,147 --> 00:11:48,177 Might not be too bad. 240 00:11:48,257 --> 00:11:50,511 Like, I'm using a headset mic right now. 241 00:11:50,521 --> 00:11:51,911 Not one sitting on my desk. 242 00:11:52,411 --> 00:11:53,381 I'm at a standing desk. 243 00:11:53,381 --> 00:12:02,061 So, I'm standing above the keyboard, the microphone is right in front of my face [laughs] and if I don't put it any closer to the keyboard and just press the switch. 244 00:12:02,351 --> 00:12:10,911 I mean, clearly you're gonna hear that, but maybe it's not so loud that it, I- I don't know. 245 00:12:11,081 --> 00:12:11,731 What do you think? 246 00:12:12,311 --> 00:12:12,541 Erez: Yeah. 247 00:12:12,541 --> 00:12:14,601 You know, it's, that's an interesting point. 248 00:12:14,681 --> 00:12:18,371 I think, in general, with regards to typing sounds while on calls. 249 00:12:18,731 --> 00:12:24,131 Because, if they're not too loud, it almost connotes, like, "Oh, I'm being productive." 250 00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:24,855 You know? 251 00:12:24,855 --> 00:12:24,979 Tisha: [laughs] 252 00:12:24,979 --> 00:12:26,141 Erez: Like, "I'm- I'm taking notes-" 253 00:12:26,141 --> 00:12:26,346 Tisha: [laughs] Exactly. 254 00:12:26,501 --> 00:12:27,911 Erez: And, "I'm engaged." 255 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:28,371 Tisha: Right. 256 00:12:28,421 --> 00:12:30,121 Erez: And then, if it's, like, super loud. 257 00:12:30,381 --> 00:12:31,921 It's "I'm derailing the call." 258 00:12:31,931 --> 00:12:31,971 [laughs] 259 00:12:32,541 --> 00:12:34,491 Tisha: Right, exactly [laughs]. 260 00:12:34,661 --> 00:12:40,471 Depending on who else is on the call for you, or whatever, it could also connote, you know, "I'm posting to Twitter." 261 00:12:40,471 --> 00:12:42,011 But, you know, but who knows. 262 00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:42,051 [laughs] 263 00:12:42,661 --> 00:12:42,741 Erez: Yeah. 264 00:12:42,741 --> 00:12:42,861 Tisha: But yeah. 265 00:12:42,921 --> 00:12:53,991 I think, I think it's a really nice-feeling switch and I kinda think that if you're wavering between tactile and clicky, then it might be something to think about. 266 00:12:54,074 --> 00:13:01,567 You get a little bit of the best of both worlds and a little bit less of some of the downsides. 267 00:13:01,637 --> 00:13:05,647 Like, some clicky switches are really pretty firm. 268 00:13:05,697 --> 00:13:06,427 Pretty heavy. 269 00:13:07,027 --> 00:13:09,757 Which some people really like and other people don't. 270 00:13:10,127 --> 00:13:12,197 This is a clicky switch that is really not heavy. 271 00:13:12,411 --> 00:13:12,911 Erez: Right. 272 00:13:13,019 --> 00:13:14,219 Tisha: You know, And not super loud. 273 00:13:14,339 --> 00:13:21,349 I guess if you already know that you like something that feels kinda like a Brown switch this would be an easy transition. 274 00:13:21,549 --> 00:13:22,059 I think. 275 00:13:22,183 --> 00:13:23,073 Erez: That makes sense. 276 00:13:23,613 --> 00:13:36,259 I find it interesting that, often the switches that are friendliest to everyday use and are actually the most attractive in practice are not switches that make a statement. 277 00:13:36,359 --> 00:13:38,999 I always talk about the Kailh Thick Gold. 278 00:13:39,009 --> 00:13:49,814 Which is super duper clicky and I love the sound of that, but really, in the everyday, as we've mentioned, I type on a Silver, which is a very sedate type of key, right? 279 00:13:49,814 --> 00:13:50,184 Tisha: Right. 280 00:13:50,554 --> 00:14:01,481 Erez: So, to me, it's just, it's interesting, because in tech, I think in general, we tend to go for the big, bold statements. 281 00:14:01,481 --> 00:14:03,841 You know, everything has to be cranked up to 11. 282 00:14:03,841 --> 00:14:05,181 Tisha: [laughs] Right. 283 00:14:05,691 --> 00:14:12,546 Erez: But then when it comes to an object that you touch, and type on millions of characters, or more, I don't know. 284 00:14:12,876 --> 00:14:16,226 Then suddenly, that kind of brashness is less helpful. 285 00:14:16,226 --> 00:14:21,556 Like, you might want something that's a little bit more laid-back, that's a little less dramatic. 286 00:14:21,556 --> 00:14:21,776 Right? 287 00:14:21,776 --> 00:14:31,036 And I see that in the switches, in the sense that you read the spec or you even talk about the switch and it sounds a little bit boring, but then you use it and it's just a joy to use. 288 00:14:31,253 --> 00:14:31,733 Tisha: Right. 289 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,060 As you were saying that, I was kind of thinking about cars. 290 00:14:34,288 --> 00:14:36,188 Like, if you have a family. 291 00:14:36,188 --> 00:14:40,218 Say, you have, you and your partner and a couple of kids. 292 00:14:40,758 --> 00:14:43,068 It's like, "Oh, do I really want a minivan? 293 00:14:43,068 --> 00:14:44,248 They're so boring." 294 00:14:44,331 --> 00:14:45,021 But you know what? 295 00:14:45,881 --> 00:14:51,114 [laughs] If you are packing in some kids and maybe their friends and maybe a couple of dogs and stuff. 296 00:14:51,544 --> 00:15:04,381 Your two-seater sports car might be really fun for some day trips, some nice outings, but for hauling the kids back and forth to school and to practice and to friends' houses and stuff, that minivan works... 297 00:15:04,791 --> 00:15:06,661 that's your workhorse [laughs]. 298 00:15:07,091 --> 00:15:07,481 Erez: Right. 299 00:15:07,635 --> 00:15:08,715 Yeah, no I get that. 300 00:15:08,985 --> 00:15:13,455 Although, I will say, if we're going minivan, like, to me, the minivan of keyswitches is the Brown. 301 00:15:13,855 --> 00:15:14,165 Tisha: Sure. 302 00:15:14,255 --> 00:15:15,935 Erez: Like, that would be the workhorse. 303 00:15:15,935 --> 00:15:20,901 I don't know what car the MX White would be- the Box White would be [laughs]. 304 00:15:21,111 --> 00:15:24,251 Tisha: Maybe it's a plug-in electric minivan [laughs]. 305 00:15:24,251 --> 00:15:27,628 Erez: [laughs] It's got utility, but maybe a little bit more. 306 00:15:27,758 --> 00:15:28,298 Tisha: Right. 307 00:15:28,478 --> 00:15:28,908 Right. 308 00:15:29,268 --> 00:15:31,348 Erez: I like it. 309 00:15:31,348 --> 00:15:31,488 Tisha: [laughs] 310 00:15:31,488 --> 00:15:31,853 Erez: Awesome. 311 00:15:32,168 --> 00:15:32,428 Tisha: Right. 312 00:15:32,448 --> 00:15:35,468 Or, maybe it's getting the 6-cylinder instead of the four [laughs]. 313 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:36,018 Erez: [laughs] 314 00:15:36,688 --> 00:15:52,555 Tisha: So, I think it's kind of a fun switch, as you were saying, not as flashy and extreme and up-to-eleven as some of the really clicky or, you know, super tactile or super heavy switches. 315 00:15:52,616 --> 00:15:56,727 It's a good, everyday switch for heavy use, I think. 316 00:15:56,737 --> 00:15:58,427 If you still kinda want a little bit of a click. 317 00:15:58,687 --> 00:15:59,447 Erez: That makes sense. 318 00:15:59,663 --> 00:16:00,143 Awesome. 319 00:16:00,407 --> 00:16:00,707 Tisha: Yeah. 320 00:16:01,097 --> 00:16:03,457 Erez: Anything else we wanna say about the Box White? 321 00:16:03,777 --> 00:16:05,117 Tisha: I think that pretty much covers it. 322 00:16:05,283 --> 00:16:06,003 Erez: Sounds good. 323 00:16:06,473 --> 00:16:07,553 Well thank you very much, then. 324 00:16:07,553 --> 00:16:09,533 I guess we'll talk again on the next one. 325 00:16:09,823 --> 00:16:10,153 Tisha: Sure. 326 00:16:10,163 --> 00:16:10,643 Thank you. 327 00:16:11,203 --> 00:16:11,893 Erez: [laughs] Talk soon. 328 00:16:12,163 --> 00:16:12,893 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 329 00:16:12,893 --> 00:16:13,053 Bye-bye. 330 00:16:13,053 --> 00:16:13,063 Erez: Bye.