Copper

Hello, and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. 2 00:00:08,054 --> 00:00:14,275 I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and support lead. 3 00:00:14,635 --> 00:00:15,684 How are you today, Tisha? 4 00:00:16,194 --> 00:00:16,504 Tisha: Hi. 5 00:00:16,555 --> 00:00:17,214 I'm pretty good. 6 00:00:17,215 --> 00:00:17,685 How are you? 7 00:00:18,284 --> 00:00:18,884 Erez: I'm good. 8 00:00:18,884 --> 00:00:20,885 I'm drinking coffee with honey- 9 00:00:20,895 --> 00:00:21,105 Tisha: Oh, nice. 10 00:00:21,305 --> 00:00:23,564 ... Erez: which is a very weird thing to be drinking. 11 00:00:23,565 --> 00:00:25,325 Like, have you ever tried coffee with honey? 12 00:00:25,755 --> 00:00:40,415 Tisha: I have had, I think not just by itself, but there's a coffee shop not too far away from here, and a nice like independent one who, you know, and they have, I think, excellent coffee, uh, who make a lavender honey latte. 13 00:00:40,705 --> 00:00:41,035 Erez: That's... 14 00:00:41,075 --> 00:00:42,065 Yeah, that sounds good. 15 00:00:42,065 --> 00:00:46,389 Like I, I was- I was, I was making this thing and my wife like, "What are you doing?" 16 00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:46,429 Tisha: [laughs] 17 00:00:47,749 --> 00:00:48,419 Erez: I said, "I don't know. 18 00:00:48,459 --> 00:00:49,450 I'm gonna try it out." 19 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:50,730 There's some cream in there, too. 20 00:00:50,779 --> 00:00:53,690 So she's like, "It's like tea but with coffee." 21 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:54,290 Anyways, yeah. 22 00:00:54,290 --> 00:00:55,320 But it works. 23 00:00:55,710 --> 00:00:56,110 Tisha: Yeah, no. 24 00:00:56,110 --> 00:00:57,000 I think it sounds good. 25 00:00:57,010 --> 00:01:00,830 I, I have become kind of a honey convert as a, an adult. 26 00:01:00,999 --> 00:01:04,120 I didn't think much of it as a kid, but, um, I really like honey now. 27 00:01:04,910 --> 00:01:06,930 And so I think, I think it'd be good in coffee. 28 00:01:07,570 --> 00:01:08,700 Erez: Yeah, it works for me. 29 00:01:08,940 --> 00:01:10,730 Tisha: It's good in most things. 30 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:10,820 [laughs] 31 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:12,310 Erez: [laughs] 32 00:01:12,850 --> 00:01:14,440 Tisha: I'm having just a regular old coffee. 33 00:01:14,890 --> 00:01:15,430 Erez: Nice. 34 00:01:16,770 --> 00:01:16,810 Tisha: [laughs] 35 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:18,710 Erez: So, Kailh Copper. 36 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:20,230 What can you tell us about it? 37 00:01:20,506 --> 00:01:26,766 Tisha: Well, it is one of Kailh's Speed Switches and it's a tactile one. 38 00:01:26,816 --> 00:01:38,866 We've talked about other Kailh Speed Switches, the Silver, which is a linear, and the Gold and Thick Gold/Brown-- Bronze, excuse me, which are both clicky. 39 00:01:39,286 --> 00:01:49,523 So now this is their tactile one, meaning it's got the tactile bump but no click, and it's a Speed Switch which means it's got the very high actuation point. 40 00:01:49,533 --> 00:01:54,473 You barely have to press it down at all before it registers your key press. 41 00:01:54,779 --> 00:01:57,099 Erez: Assuming before the tactile bump as well? 42 00:01:57,119 --> 00:01:58,309 Tisha: Right, right. 43 00:01:58,449 --> 00:02:00,349 Yeah, the difference there is small. 44 00:02:00,389 --> 00:02:07,522 To me, I have to be pressing the switch very slowly and deliberately to notice that, um, but that's just me. 45 00:02:07,552 --> 00:02:11,471 I know that there are some people who, in regular use find it a bit odd. 46 00:02:12,361 --> 00:02:19,911 I would say that most people, just in kind of regular typing, just text, email, whatever, I would say most people probably don't notice that. 47 00:02:20,031 --> 00:02:21,631 A few people will. 48 00:02:22,161 --> 00:02:22,771 I don't. 49 00:02:23,021 --> 00:02:26,981 Erez: They will notice it via false actuations, basically? 50 00:02:26,981 --> 00:02:29,141 Just get characters when they're not expecting it? 51 00:02:29,581 --> 00:02:38,721 Tisha: There's that or for some people I guess it just as they're watching the you know, the output of their typing, I gue... 52 00:02:38,751 --> 00:02:39,211 I don't know. 53 00:02:39,211 --> 00:02:44,781 It's just kind of like a weird feeling that, oh, things are happening not, sort of, in the order that I expect. 54 00:02:44,871 --> 00:02:50,821 I'm seeing the character just before I feel the bump- 55 00:02:51,531 --> 00:02:51,671 Erez: Oh. 56 00:02:51,671 --> 00:02:53,241 ... Tisha: and they're expecting the other way around. 57 00:02:53,401 --> 00:02:53,891 Erez: I get that. 58 00:02:53,891 --> 00:02:54,691 It's like when I'm... 59 00:02:54,701 --> 00:03:01,361 Sometimes I watch a video online or something, and then it seems to me like there's this tiny delay between the audio and video- 60 00:03:01,361 --> 00:03:01,471 Tisha: [laughs] Yeah. 61 00:03:01,481 --> 00:03:02,721 ... Erez: especially when somebody's talking. 62 00:03:02,721 --> 00:03:03,441 I'm like, "Is it- 63 00:03:03,441 --> 00:03:03,521 Tisha: Right. 64 00:03:03,521 --> 00:03:03,661 ... Erez: there? 65 00:03:03,661 --> 00:03:04,381 Is it not there?" 66 00:03:04,381 --> 00:03:08,461 Like the lips are not quite like it's, you know, milliseconds away. 67 00:03:08,461 --> 00:03:10,811 So that, that type of thing where like, uh, there's like a... 68 00:03:11,391 --> 00:03:13,391 Somethings weird, that kind of feeling? 69 00:03:13,601 --> 00:03:14,031 Tisha: Right. 70 00:03:14,131 --> 00:03:15,691 Well, I assume so. 71 00:03:16,651 --> 00:03:29,461 [laughs] I'm just kinda making assumptions, or kind of assuming what other people may feel because, like I said, I don't get this feeling, but I've heard from just a, a really small number of people who say, you know, "Oh my gosh. 72 00:03:29,481 --> 00:03:31,931 I don't like the fact that this actuates before the bump. 73 00:03:31,931 --> 00:03:34,091 It, you know, it seems weird to me." 74 00:03:34,291 --> 00:03:41,793 So that's what I, I think they're probably talking about, but I don't have like- yeah, I don't have like a firsthand account [laughs] I guess. 75 00:03:41,843 --> 00:03:49,773 But anyway, I guess if you already know that you don't like the really fast actuation, then this might not be for you. 76 00:03:49,783 --> 00:03:58,703 On, you know, on the other hand, if you know that you like Speed Switches, if you like that effect in gaming or if you like to type with a really light touch, that sort of thing, then this might be for you. 77 00:03:58,703 --> 00:04:01,693 It's a nice tactile kinda springy feeling switch. 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Erez: Mm-hmm [ affirmative]. 79 00:04:02,830 --> 00:04:05,790 So it's actually rated, on our website at least, as 40. 80 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:07,060 We're just talking before the episode. 81 00:04:07,230 --> 00:04:08,220 Some people say it's 40. 82 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:09,930 Some people say it's 50 grams of force. 83 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:13,400 But we took Kailh's spec as 40- 84 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:14,480 Tisha: Right. 85 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,000 ... Erez: which it's 10 grams lighter than MX Brown. 86 00:04:17,750 --> 00:04:18,410 Tisha: Um, 15. 87 00:04:18,530 --> 00:04:19,200 Erez: 15, mm-hmm [affirmative]. 88 00:04:19,310 --> 00:04:22,050 Tisha: I think MX Brown is rated at, yeah, 45... 89 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,160 Or no, five. 90 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:23,390 I'm sorry. 91 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:23,560 Erez: 55, yeah. 92 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:25,040 Tisha: I, I can't do math. 93 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,500 The Brown switches are rated at 45- 94 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,050 Erez: Oh. 95 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:29,540 ... Tisha: and yeah, sorry. 96 00:04:29,884 --> 00:04:31,364 Erez: So just slightly lighter in rating? 97 00:04:31,934 --> 00:04:33,094 Tisha: Right, right. 98 00:04:33,184 --> 00:04:40,364 If you go to Kailh's, you know, Kaihua, the, the maker of the switch, if you go to their website, they have a few different numbers. 99 00:04:40,514 --> 00:04:40,554 [laughs] 100 00:04:40,857 --> 00:04:41,837 Erez: On the same page. 101 00:04:42,007 --> 00:04:42,327 Tisha: Uh, of... 102 00:04:42,327 --> 00:04:42,597 Right. 103 00:04:42,597 --> 00:04:42,717 What- 104 00:04:42,717 --> 00:04:50,125 Erez: Like the, the, the- the page URL calls it purple- ... and then you go there and in the purple it's actually Kailh Copper. 105 00:04:50,445 --> 00:04:54,475 And then they say 40 grams, and in the same page they say 50 grams so- 106 00:04:54,595 --> 00:04:55,985 Tisha: Right. 107 00:04:56,515 --> 00:04:56,715 [laughs] so... 108 00:04:56,855 --> 00:04:57,265 Right. 109 00:04:57,275 --> 00:04:59,215 So, you know, I don't know if they... 110 00:04:59,635 --> 00:05:00,475 I don't know what that's about. 111 00:05:00,635 --> 00:05:00,675 [laughs] 112 00:05:00,675 --> 00:05:01,710 Erez: [laughs] 113 00:05:02,745 --> 00:05:10,752 Tisha: But in practical terms, [laughs] the other switch that we carry, which is rated at 40 grams of force, is the Kailh Silver. 114 00:05:11,232 --> 00:05:16,472 And, at least for me, the Kailh Copper feels really notably heavier. 115 00:05:17,142 --> 00:05:23,202 Part of that is because it's a tactile switch, so you've got the extra resistance from the bump. 116 00:05:23,432 --> 00:05:32,442 The other part, I used this word before, which is maybe not a super helpful description, but, it's just a springier feeling switch. 117 00:05:32,782 --> 00:05:34,572 Like, it feels... 118 00:05:34,797 --> 00:05:42,927 To me the, I think, firmness is more felt on the upstroke maybe than the downstroke. 119 00:05:42,927 --> 00:05:46,577 It's kind of like the spring recoils more strongly 120 00:05:46,944 --> 00:05:46,954 Erez: Hm. 121 00:05:46,964 --> 00:05:47,939 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 122 00:05:47,939 --> 00:05:48,109 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 123 00:05:48,164 --> 00:05:54,577 Tisha: So I'm just kind of alternating messing with Kailh Copper switches and Silver. 124 00:05:54,747 --> 00:05:57,797 Yeah, it's not super light feeling like the Silver. 125 00:05:58,717 --> 00:06:05,540 In fact, to me, I think it even feels a bit firmer than the Cherry MX Brown. 126 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,700 I don't know that this is everyone's experience 127 00:06:08,993 --> 00:06:11,513 Erez: Which would explain the 50 rating, then- 128 00:06:11,903 --> 00:06:12,133 Tisha: Right. 129 00:06:12,133 --> 00:06:12,853 ... Erez: if MX Brown is 45. 130 00:06:13,333 --> 00:06:13,863 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 131 00:06:13,983 --> 00:06:14,323 Tisha: Right. 132 00:06:14,723 --> 00:06:19,883 So it's a, kind of a light/medium tactile switch. 133 00:06:20,139 --> 00:06:27,509 And it has a, sort of a gentle rounded tactile bump, not a, not a sharp crisp one. 134 00:06:27,711 --> 00:06:28,221 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 135 00:06:28,351 --> 00:06:30,241 Tisha: It's a, it's a pretty gentile tactile bump. 136 00:06:30,331 --> 00:06:40,361 I think if you want something [ laughs] less linear than a linear switch but with a bit more feedback to it, then this, this might be a, a good choice. 137 00:06:40,591 --> 00:06:54,793 You don't want something that you have to really push through like a Cherry MX Blue or something with the sort of sharper feeling tactile bump like the Kailh Box Brown I think. 138 00:06:54,843 --> 00:07:15,343 This has a bump that, to me, feels, I haven't looked recently at the actual force curves, but to me, the feeling, the tactility, the tactile-ness, [laughs] um, is more similar to Cherry MX Brown than it is to Kailh Box Brown. 139 00:07:16,013 --> 00:07:16,373 Erez: Mm. 140 00:07:17,573 --> 00:07:18,143 Okay. 141 00:07:19,313 --> 00:07:20,883 So then you don't... 142 00:07:21,833 --> 00:07:30,190 So again, it, it actuates before the bump, but the bump itself is somewhat, I don't know how to call it, like rounded or more refined. 143 00:07:30,190 --> 00:07:35,443 Like it's not a sharp thing, but it's, I don't know, gentle I guess? 144 00:07:35,473 --> 00:07:35,793 Tisha: Right. 145 00:07:35,833 --> 00:07:36,543 Yeah, yeah. 146 00:07:36,543 --> 00:07:38,133 I mean, that's what I tend to say. 147 00:07:38,133 --> 00:07:42,191 It's a gentle rounded bump, kinda more like a l-... 148 00:07:42,535 --> 00:07:47,565 [ laughs] more like a low hill than a steep little point. 149 00:07:47,911 --> 00:07:51,081 Erez: Is this a good switch for Zoom calls and such? 150 00:07:51,423 --> 00:07:53,463 Tisha: I would say it's okay. 151 00:07:53,873 --> 00:07:56,420 it's not as quiet as a linear switch. 152 00:07:56,470 --> 00:07:56,950 It's... 153 00:07:57,263 --> 00:08:06,443 The sound quality is different than something like Cherry MX Brown, but it's probably not really quieter or louder. 154 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:07,225 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 155 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:08,610 Tisha: I don't know if you can hear this. 156 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:08,810 [laughs] 157 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:10,860 Erez: Not really, actually. 158 00:08:10,870 --> 00:08:11,220 Tisha: Okay. 159 00:08:11,430 --> 00:08:21,540 So, I have the, you know, the kind of the headset mounted mic and, you know, uh, if I'm typing along with a mic not super close to the keyboard, and this is Kailh Copper... 160 00:08:21,777 --> 00:08:23,847 Erez: I can hear something, but very subtle. 161 00:08:24,007 --> 00:08:24,357 Tisha: Right. 162 00:08:24,367 --> 00:08:28,827 So yeah, if, I think if your mic isn't real close to your keyboard, then that might be okay. 163 00:08:29,187 --> 00:08:30,137 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 164 00:08:30,237 --> 00:08:34,657 Tisha: If your mic is close, then it might be a little loud. 165 00:08:34,657 --> 00:08:36,577 Erez: That, that actually still sounds okay. 166 00:08:36,577 --> 00:08:36,583 Tisha: Oh, okay. 167 00:08:36,583 --> 00:08:38,852 Erez: There's nothing grating or high pitched about it. 168 00:08:38,937 --> 00:08:40,667 I, I could hear it, but... 169 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:47,610 Tisha: It is a lower, slightly lower pitched sound than Cherry MX Brown. 170 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:48,770 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 171 00:08:49,130 --> 00:08:59,307 Tisha: So yeah, it might not be too bad, depending on your setup and the, I don't know, irritability levels of your co-workers. 172 00:08:59,317 --> 00:08:59,357 [laughs] 173 00:08:59,967 --> 00:09:00,327 Erez: Right. 174 00:09:01,337 --> 00:09:05,110 Do you have a sense of who tends to like this switch? 175 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:07,790 Which, which type of user tends to go for a Kailh Copper? 176 00:09:08,024 --> 00:09:09,564 Tisha: That is... 177 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:11,944 That's a good question. 178 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,652 I think it might be someone who likes... 179 00:09:16,112 --> 00:09:29,453 Maybe someone who wants to be able to type with a really light touch because it, even though this switch feels kinda maybe firmer than its description, because of the high actuation point, you barely need to tap it, you know? 180 00:09:29,453 --> 00:09:29,598 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 181 00:09:29,733 --> 00:09:43,888 Tisha: So, if you wanna type with a light touch but, you want something with a little more, I don't know, well, you know, feedback something that resists your fingers a bit more than Kailh Silver, than maybe that, I think... 182 00:09:44,035 --> 00:09:49,855 I could be full if it here, [laughs] so I'll, uh, give that warning up front. 183 00:09:50,275 --> 00:09:58,171 But, occasionally people ask if, a tactile switch might help them decrease their, it might help them avoid bottoming out- 184 00:09:58,451 --> 00:09:58,946 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 185 00:09:59,091 --> 00:09:59,581 ... Tisha: some. 186 00:10:00,131 --> 00:10:07,546 And in general, my opinion is, for most people, probably not because the bumps aren't... 187 00:10:07,787 --> 00:10:09,147 they don't stop your fingers. 188 00:10:09,707 --> 00:10:11,547 Our tendency is just to push through. 189 00:10:11,617 --> 00:10:12,187 Erez: Right. 190 00:10:12,348 --> 00:10:19,238 Tisha: But with the Copper, and this applies, again, if you're a light touch typist, if you... 191 00:10:19,248 --> 00:10:25,388 Then I think in this case it might help you not bottom out because the actuation comes before the bump. 192 00:10:25,649 --> 00:10:34,596 If you just tap, tap, tap really lightly and stop when you feel resistance, not when you've pushed all the way through, then it might help you not bottom out if that makes sense. 193 00:10:34,926 --> 00:10:35,376 Erez: Right. 194 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:36,116 Yeah. 195 00:10:36,286 --> 00:10:36,916 I get it. 196 00:10:37,036 --> 00:10:37,556 I get it. 197 00:10:37,926 --> 00:10:45,776 Though I would guess that if you are a light typist anyway, then maybe bottoming out is not a huge issue for you. 198 00:10:46,224 --> 00:10:49,734 Tisha: That's true, although it would be a lot easier with a linear switch. 199 00:10:49,734 --> 00:10:50,364 Like if you- 200 00:10:50,654 --> 00:10:51,514 Erez: Mm, right. 201 00:10:51,994 --> 00:10:55,744 ... Tisha: right, went with a Kailh Silver, it's, you know, super easy to press. 202 00:10:55,784 --> 00:10:57,704 There's so little resistance, I guess- [laughs] 203 00:10:57,704 --> 00:10:57,734 Erez: Yep. 204 00:10:58,194 --> 00:10:58,399 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 205 00:10:58,594 --> 00:11:02,544 ... Tisha: um, that it's easy to just push until it stops 'cause- 206 00:11:02,854 --> 00:11:03,131 Erez: Yeah, yeah. 207 00:11:03,131 --> 00:11:04,511 I, I know exactly what you mean. 208 00:11:04,521 --> 00:11:04,541 Tisha: Yeah. 209 00:11:04,551 --> 00:11:09,231 Erez: When I use Silver then I really I tend to use the bottom out as my feedback almost. 210 00:11:09,231 --> 00:11:09,281 Tisha: [laughs] 211 00:11:09,331 --> 00:11:12,111 Erez: It, it kinda almost becomes my tactile feedback. 212 00:11:12,491 --> 00:11:12,961 Tisha: Right. 213 00:11:13,061 --> 00:11:14,151 Yeah, that makes sense. 214 00:11:14,771 --> 00:11:20,867 Kailh Copper is kind of, for some reason, a harder switch for me to talk about. 215 00:11:20,937 --> 00:11:29,121 It's a little bit of an odd duck to me, I think because of the combination of Speed Switch and tactile. 216 00:11:29,346 --> 00:11:32,359 Erez: Which Kailh Brown, Kailh Brown is not a Speed Switch is it? 217 00:11:32,596 --> 00:11:32,956 Tisha: Right. 218 00:11:32,976 --> 00:11:36,146 The Box, Kailh Box Brown is, is not. 219 00:11:36,146 --> 00:11:39,476 It's a, a standard sort of actuates about halfway- 220 00:11:39,816 --> 00:11:40,296 Erez: Right. 221 00:11:40,306 --> 00:11:40,856 ... Tisha: switch. 222 00:11:40,896 --> 00:11:41,336 Right. 223 00:11:42,116 --> 00:11:45,008 Erez: I was just strolling up in our previous episode notes here. 224 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:47,448 But yeah, that's just, it's just a tactile switch. 225 00:11:47,448 --> 00:11:48,258 There's no, uh- 226 00:11:48,538 --> 00:11:48,968 Tisha: Right. 227 00:11:49,698 --> 00:11:50,173 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 228 00:11:50,338 --> 00:11:50,638 Tisha: Right. 229 00:11:50,928 --> 00:12:05,637 And I think also what makes it trickier for me to talk about or think about is the low force rating isn't necessarily reflected, um, [ laughs] in, I don't know, reality and practical terms, at least for me. 230 00:12:05,807 --> 00:12:06,127 Erez: I hear. 231 00:12:06,127 --> 00:12:08,137 We should probably interview Kailh and ask them about that. 232 00:12:08,137 --> 00:12:08,682 [laughs] 233 00:12:09,227 --> 00:12:09,697 Tisha: [laughs] Right, yeah. 234 00:12:09,697 --> 00:12:10,877 Erez: Which is the right number? 235 00:12:10,877 --> 00:12:12,007 I'll, I, I might do that. 236 00:12:12,377 --> 00:12:12,677 Tisha: Right. 237 00:12:12,897 --> 00:12:17,027 And also, you know, these things feel, feel differently to everyone. 238 00:12:17,537 --> 00:12:22,797 I think that some people do find that they feel lighter than, for instance, a Cherry MX Brown. 239 00:12:23,111 --> 00:12:27,991 People's experiences of this switch might be more varied than some other switches- 240 00:12:28,271 --> 00:12:28,571 Erez: Hm. 241 00:12:28,861 --> 00:12:29,511 ... Tisha: I think. 242 00:12:29,941 --> 00:12:36,196 I'm not sure why, but that's my sort of vague impression from what I've heard people say about this switch. 243 00:12:36,196 --> 00:12:38,703 Erez: Got it. 244 00:12:38,957 --> 00:12:41,407 Would you say it's relatively popular or is it... 245 00:12:41,797 --> 00:12:44,077 Tisha: Moderately so, yeah. 246 00:12:44,077 --> 00:12:44,363 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 247 00:12:44,507 --> 00:12:50,127 Tisha: It's not a big biggie like, you know, Cherry MX Brown is a, is a big one. 248 00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:50,203 Erez: Oh, yeah. 249 00:12:50,203 --> 00:12:52,227 Tisha: And, you know, Kailh Silver is a pretty big one, too. 250 00:12:52,227 --> 00:12:52,553 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 251 00:12:52,717 --> 00:13:00,862 Tisha: And I have to say the, now that the Cherry MX Silent Red is available from Moonlander, that's become a pretty big one, too. 252 00:13:01,172 --> 00:13:01,442 Erez: Mm. 253 00:13:01,655 --> 00:13:02,115 Awesome. 254 00:13:02,435 --> 00:13:04,475 Anything else we wanna say about the Copper? 255 00:13:04,918 --> 00:13:05,238 Tisha: Hm. 256 00:13:05,648 --> 00:13:09,307 [ laughs] I don't think I can think of anything else. 257 00:13:09,547 --> 00:13:10,827 Yeah, it's kinda different. 258 00:13:10,924 --> 00:13:17,529 But, I think especially if you know you like the Speed Switch type of switch, it's something that you might wanna think about. 259 00:13:17,789 --> 00:13:18,299 Erez: Awesome. 260 00:13:18,549 --> 00:13:19,479 Well, thank you very much. 261 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:20,099 Tisha: Sure. 262 00:13:20,099 --> 00:13:20,529 Thank you. 263 00:13:20,775 --> 00:13:21,365 Erez: You have a good one. 264 00:13:21,945 --> 00:13:22,415 Tisha: [laughs] You, too.