Blue

Hello, and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. 2 00:00:07,913 --> 00:00:11,703 I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident 3 00:00:11,723 --> 00:00:13,953 switch expert and support lead. 4 00:00:14,193 --> 00:00:15,083 How are you, Tisha? 5 00:00:15,353 --> 00:00:16,503 Tisha: Hi, I'm good. 6 00:00:16,503 --> 00:00:16,993 How are you? 7 00:00:17,383 --> 00:00:17,723 Erez: Pretty good. 8 00:00:17,723 --> 00:00:18,103 Tisha: Good. 9 00:00:18,223 --> 00:00:20,683 Erez: It's kind of drizzly here today. 10 00:00:20,693 --> 00:00:23,343 Not as nice as yesterday, but I make do. 11 00:00:23,903 --> 00:00:26,003 Tisha: Yeah, it's been kind of wet here as well. 12 00:00:27,693 --> 00:00:28,573 Erez: [laughs] All right. 13 00:00:28,643 --> 00:00:31,503 So this is our Blue episode. 14 00:00:32,590 --> 00:00:32,630 Tisha: [laughs] 15 00:00:32,767 --> 00:00:34,057 Erez: Cherry MX Blue. 16 00:00:34,067 --> 00:00:34,087 Tisha: Yeah. 17 00:00:34,127 --> 00:00:35,207 Erez: A clicky switch. 18 00:00:35,507 --> 00:00:36,377 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 19 00:00:36,587 --> 00:00:37,277 Erez: Okay. 20 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:40,767 So I guess a good starting point is what is a clicky switch? 21 00:00:40,767 --> 00:00:42,577 I mean, MX Blue is not the only one, right? 22 00:00:43,417 --> 00:00:43,977 Tisha: Right. 23 00:00:44,017 --> 00:00:46,127 There are a lot of clicky switches. 24 00:00:46,167 --> 00:00:48,827 I think people who like them, like them a lot. 25 00:00:49,507 --> 00:00:52,577 And I think people who don't like them dislike them a lot. 26 00:00:52,707 --> 00:00:57,167 [laughing] But it's one of the three, I guess, kind of main 27 00:00:57,393 --> 00:00:59,083 classifications for switches, clicky. 28 00:00:59,083 --> 00:01:00,503 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 29 00:01:01,563 --> 00:01:03,683 And so you said it's, it's, it's interesting. 30 00:01:03,683 --> 00:01:05,643 It's one of the more controversial types, right? 31 00:01:05,643 --> 00:01:08,923 I mean, I can't really think of anyone saying, "Oh, I hate linear switchers." 32 00:01:09,213 --> 00:01:09,423 Right. 33 00:01:09,423 --> 00:01:14,003 But you definitely get that kind of feeling about clicky switches. 34 00:01:14,003 --> 00:01:14,403 Right? 35 00:01:15,033 --> 00:01:15,673 Tisha: Right. 36 00:01:16,013 --> 00:01:16,643 Yeah. 37 00:01:16,703 --> 00:01:22,633 I think the more, uh, let's say the more senses that are involved, 38 00:01:22,663 --> 00:01:24,483 maybe, the stronger the opinion. 39 00:01:25,073 --> 00:01:25,813 Erez: I hear, yeah. 40 00:01:25,893 --> 00:01:27,373 Good thing there's no smelly switches. 41 00:01:28,073 --> 00:01:28,113 Tisha: [laughs] 42 00:01:29,473 --> 00:01:32,523 Erez: So if I'm just kind of getting started and I'm thinking, 43 00:01:32,523 --> 00:01:33,693 "Oh, do I want to go clicky? 44 00:01:33,713 --> 00:01:39,016 Do I want to go maybe tactile," when is a clicky a non-starter or who might be a 45 00:01:39,046 --> 00:01:41,416 good fit for a clicky switch of any sort? 46 00:01:42,546 --> 00:01:43,016 Tisha: Right. 47 00:01:43,046 --> 00:01:46,816 Well, and I'm sorry, I didn't really answer your question before, 48 00:01:46,816 --> 00:01:53,260 which is that a clicky switch is, um, you can think of it like a 49 00:01:53,410 --> 00:01:56,190 tactile switch with an added click. 50 00:01:56,380 --> 00:01:56,690 Erez: Hmm. 51 00:01:56,910 --> 00:02:01,830 Tisha: So there is just another, depending on the switch, another little mechanism 52 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,806 or just another one or two little pieces inside the switch that make a 53 00:02:06,806 --> 00:02:12,180 clicking sound, kind of an extra clicky sound in addition to whatever noise you 54 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:14,475 get from typing on a tactile switch. 55 00:02:15,075 --> 00:02:15,185 Erez: Right. 56 00:02:15,195 --> 00:02:16,445 Tisha: So it's noisier. 57 00:02:17,145 --> 00:02:23,745 I think a lot of times it just comes down to the fact that some people 58 00:02:23,745 --> 00:02:30,015 like that, you know, that typing on a mechanical keyboard, click, 59 00:02:30,035 --> 00:02:36,791 click, click sound, and maybe they like that extra sensory feedback. 60 00:02:36,791 --> 00:02:40,410 So you're getting visual from seeing what you're typing if you're looking 61 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:44,163 at the screen and typing along, you're getting tactile because clicky 62 00:02:44,563 --> 00:02:49,083 switches have a tactile bump and you're getting auditory feedback 63 00:02:49,113 --> 00:02:51,106 because you're hearing that click. 64 00:02:51,313 --> 00:02:51,713 Erez: Right. 65 00:02:51,713 --> 00:02:55,353 So in a sense, if that sort of thing kind of helps you get into a state of 66 00:02:55,363 --> 00:02:57,833 flow, it's more immersive in a way. 67 00:02:58,085 --> 00:02:58,995 Would you say that? 68 00:02:59,375 --> 00:03:00,875 Tisha: I think that makes sense. 69 00:03:00,975 --> 00:03:06,435 If it helps you to hear yourself working, you know I guess immersive is a, is a 70 00:03:06,435 --> 00:03:12,555 good word to surround more of your senses with, with the work that you're doing, 71 00:03:12,715 --> 00:03:14,664 for lack of a better phrase, right. 72 00:03:15,324 --> 00:03:20,654 And the people who might not want to consider a clicky switch are, 73 00:03:20,757 --> 00:03:27,624 people who for instance, need to type or take notes while on Zoom calls. 74 00:03:27,884 --> 00:03:28,077 Erez: Oh, yeah. 75 00:03:28,077 --> 00:03:28,080 Tisha: [laughs] 76 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,864 Erez: You don't want to be that guy. 77 00:03:31,004 --> 00:03:31,224 Tisha: Right. 78 00:03:32,164 --> 00:03:35,670 Unless you want to be quick with your mute button a lot. 79 00:03:36,267 --> 00:03:41,347 Or if you share a workspace either, you know, in an office, you have an 80 00:03:41,367 --> 00:03:45,827 office mate, or you're in an open workspace and the people you share your 81 00:03:45,837 --> 00:03:48,317 office space aren't into, to noise. 82 00:03:49,577 --> 00:03:53,467 Um, or if you work from home and the people you live with 83 00:03:53,507 --> 00:03:54,667 don't want to hear you typing. 84 00:03:55,687 --> 00:03:55,957 Erez: Right. 85 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:57,017 Because, yeah. 86 00:03:57,017 --> 00:04:02,907 I mean, just as you get into the flow and kind of get into this, you know, 87 00:04:03,757 --> 00:04:09,007 burst of typing and, and, and thoughts just pouring out for somebody else, your 88 00:04:09,007 --> 00:04:11,607 work becomes incredibly distracting. 89 00:04:12,007 --> 00:04:14,407 Like, "Oh no, he's at it again." 90 00:04:15,167 --> 00:04:15,567 Tisha: Right. 91 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:17,117 Erez: Right. 92 00:04:17,967 --> 00:04:22,867 So then speaking of flow, would you, and, and, and this immersiveness, would you say 93 00:04:22,867 --> 00:04:28,323 clicky switches in general typically have some sort of an impact on typing speeds? 94 00:04:28,817 --> 00:04:30,027 Tisha: I don't know. 95 00:04:30,507 --> 00:04:36,433 I think that something like that would completely depend on the individual. 96 00:04:36,853 --> 00:04:40,713 I think for me, it probably doesn't. 97 00:04:40,803 --> 00:04:46,120 I do think that I'm more comfortable or maybe the right way to say 98 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,987 it is just that I prefer to type on a tactile or clicky switch. 99 00:04:52,047 --> 00:04:52,417 Erez: Right. 100 00:04:52,727 --> 00:04:58,097 Tisha: But I can't necessarily say that they affect my typing speed. 101 00:04:58,547 --> 00:05:05,463 Now that could be really different for, for someone else who maybe relies 102 00:05:05,483 --> 00:05:11,240 more or gets more benefit from the, the sound, the auditory feedback. 103 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:12,950 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 104 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:16,350 Tisha: It would be interesting to hear from people who, who do 105 00:05:16,350 --> 00:05:18,990 think that something like that affects their typing speed. 106 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 I would love to hear how and why they think that is. 107 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:22,720 Erez: Right. 108 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,680 I can say I kind of, I had a super clicky switch, Kailh Thick Gold. 109 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,490 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 110 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:32,120 Erez: And, uh, also known as the Bronze and I switched to a linear one, 111 00:05:32,130 --> 00:05:36,890 Silver, and I don't think that made any difference for my typing speed personally. 112 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:41,300 Like the clicky one was fun, but really it does not work on calls. 113 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:42,950 Tisha: [laughs] Right. 114 00:05:43,217 --> 00:05:44,227 Erez: And so, okay. 115 00:05:44,227 --> 00:05:49,297 So I guess really the focus today is MX Blue. 116 00:05:49,297 --> 00:05:51,567 What, what is that switch like? 117 00:05:52,797 --> 00:05:57,217 Tisha: I tend to compare switches to Cherry MX Brown because it's one, 118 00:05:57,537 --> 00:06:00,897 it's a switch that a lot of people are familiar with, even if they don't 119 00:06:00,907 --> 00:06:07,130 use it as their every day switch, a lot of people have tried it at least. 120 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:10,910 So it's kind of an easy base for comparison. 121 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:11,450 Erez: Okay. 122 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:17,120 Tisha: So the Cherry MX blue is a bit heavier than the Cherry MX Brown. 123 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,697 I tend to consider it kind of a medium weight switch as opposed 124 00:06:23,707 --> 00:06:28,857 to the Cherry MX Brown, which I wishy-washily call a light-medium switch. 125 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:31,267 But the blue, you'll notice that it's heavier. 126 00:06:31,337 --> 00:06:32,727 You don't need to pound on it. 127 00:06:32,747 --> 00:06:35,447 It's not super heavy, it's not sluggish feeling. 128 00:06:35,897 --> 00:06:38,137 But there's more weight behind it when you type on it. 129 00:06:38,183 --> 00:06:45,713 And the tactile, a tactileness, tactility, I'm not [laughs] sure. 130 00:06:45,713 --> 00:06:46,143 Erez: I say tactility. 131 00:06:46,243 --> 00:06:46,766 But I don't know. 132 00:06:46,903 --> 00:06:47,363 Tisha: Okay. 133 00:06:47,363 --> 00:06:47,733 Right. 134 00:06:48,243 --> 00:06:54,253 Is sharper and firmer than the Cherry MX Brown. 135 00:06:54,367 --> 00:06:59,027 Just a few minutes ago, I was experimenting a little bit with two 136 00:06:59,027 --> 00:07:05,037 Brown switches, Cherry MX Brown and Kailh Box Brown, and the Cherry MX Blue. 137 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:08,377 Pressing each of them really slowly. 138 00:07:08,630 --> 00:07:12,960 And if you do that with the Brown switches, it's still pretty easy 139 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,170 to press through the tactile bump. 140 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:19,540 You feel it, but it doesn't really stop you. 141 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:24,390 If you're pressing a Blue slowly and gently, the tactile bump 142 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:26,980 is a, a little more of a stop. 143 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,850 It's kind of easier to be, it's uh, firm enough that.. 144 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:37,013 it's like, oh, you F- you feel this, this thing, that you have to push through. 145 00:07:37,043 --> 00:07:43,353 It is a more, a more tactile, tactility? 146 00:07:44,403 --> 00:07:44,873 Erez: Firmer. 147 00:07:44,873 --> 00:07:45,143 Okay. 148 00:07:45,143 --> 00:07:45,623 So then... 149 00:07:46,103 --> 00:07:46,793 Tisha: A firmer bump. 150 00:07:46,813 --> 00:07:50,043 Erez: This, this kind of brings to mind if I'm one of the people who likes to rest 151 00:07:50,053 --> 00:07:52,553 my fingers on the board as I'm thinking. 152 00:07:52,993 --> 00:07:53,358 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 153 00:07:53,553 --> 00:07:56,993 Erez: Am I less likely to actuate an MX Blue? 154 00:07:57,733 --> 00:07:59,963 Is it kind of safer in that regard? 155 00:08:00,303 --> 00:08:01,153 Tisha: I think so. 156 00:08:02,173 --> 00:08:05,153 Um, yeah, I think it would be. 157 00:08:05,793 --> 00:08:12,383 You can't just lightly tippy-tappy on it to type so just resting your fingers 158 00:08:12,383 --> 00:08:16,713 or, you know, just lightly kind of brushing against the keyboard is probably 159 00:08:16,713 --> 00:08:19,133 not going to result in key presses. 160 00:08:19,303 --> 00:08:19,843 Erez: That's good. 161 00:08:20,533 --> 00:08:20,763 Tisha: Yeah. 162 00:08:20,893 --> 00:08:27,473 Erez: And so what about the sound profile, like, compared to other clicky switches? 163 00:08:27,893 --> 00:08:29,923 What does an MX Blue sound like to you? 164 00:08:30,663 --> 00:08:33,503 Tisha: It is, it's a high pitched click. 165 00:08:33,563 --> 00:08:34,293 Erez: Like annoying? 166 00:08:34,313 --> 00:08:35,923 High pitched sounds kind of annoying, I have to say. 167 00:08:35,943 --> 00:08:36,303 Tisha: Right. 168 00:08:37,473 --> 00:08:42,613 You know, I mean, honestly, I think some people do find it annoying. 169 00:08:42,783 --> 00:08:49,686 I don't, because , it's not like someone [laughs] screeching in a high-pitched 170 00:08:49,706 --> 00:08:52,116 screech, which is a continuous sound. 171 00:08:52,906 --> 00:09:01,756 It's a, um, a series of discrete short sounds, if that makes sense. 172 00:09:01,756 --> 00:09:01,923 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 173 00:09:02,006 --> 00:09:08,555 Tisha: So, um, on one hand, I would say that it's not really a shrill sound. 174 00:09:08,635 --> 00:09:08,955 Erez: Mm. 175 00:09:09,705 --> 00:09:14,715 Tisha: On the other hand, not very often, but I have heard one or two 176 00:09:14,715 --> 00:09:16,635 people describe it as kind of shrill. 177 00:09:16,805 --> 00:09:20,815 So it really depends on your tastes, your preferences for sound. 178 00:09:21,615 --> 00:09:25,735 Sounds are, can be hard to describe without comparing them to something else. 179 00:09:25,785 --> 00:09:27,935 And I'm trying to think of something to compare this to. 180 00:09:27,995 --> 00:09:31,944 It's kind of the click of a small plastic piece. 181 00:09:33,984 --> 00:09:34,604 Erez: Plastic? 182 00:09:34,604 --> 00:09:34,874 Interesting. 183 00:09:34,874 --> 00:09:35,404 Tisha: A little bit. 184 00:09:35,644 --> 00:09:36,044 Yeah. 185 00:09:36,094 --> 00:09:40,694 Maybe a better term would be the click of something that's lightweight. 186 00:09:40,994 --> 00:09:48,334 It sounds like the piece that's making the click is something that's lightweight, not 187 00:09:48,334 --> 00:09:52,094 something that's heavy and more thuddy. 188 00:09:52,684 --> 00:09:53,154 Erez: Right. 189 00:09:55,034 --> 00:09:57,384 Which is something that some people look for. 190 00:09:57,384 --> 00:09:59,044 I mean, that, that substantial thing. 191 00:09:59,044 --> 00:10:01,214 So it doesn't feel very substantial. 192 00:10:01,251 --> 00:10:09,288 Tisha: I would say that the switch feels medium-substantial, but sounds light. 193 00:10:09,658 --> 00:10:10,558 If that makes sense. 194 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:10,588 Erez: Yeah. 195 00:10:10,588 --> 00:10:11,168 That's, that's what I mean. 196 00:10:11,168 --> 00:10:11,378 Yeah. 197 00:10:11,378 --> 00:10:11,408 Tisha: Okay. 198 00:10:11,408 --> 00:10:13,718 Erez: I mean, it doesn't sound substantial, like it feels, yeah, 199 00:10:13,888 --> 00:10:17,878 that's, that's an important distinction to make with a switch that you type on. 200 00:10:18,388 --> 00:10:18,448 Tisha: Right. 201 00:10:18,448 --> 00:10:22,338 Erez: And I guess, I guess one thing I've noticed with clicky switches in 202 00:10:22,338 --> 00:10:29,998 general is that most typists, I think, certainly I, don't just hear the click 203 00:10:29,998 --> 00:10:34,558 itself because it's not like, you know, I very carefully type just until it clicks. 204 00:10:34,708 --> 00:10:36,248 I, I tend to bottom out. 205 00:10:36,248 --> 00:10:40,668 So I do get like a plastic-on-plastic thwacking as the keycap 206 00:10:41,018 --> 00:10:42,918 bottoms out onto the switch. 207 00:10:43,248 --> 00:10:47,968 And then when I release, you know, like the, the click kind of adds 208 00:10:47,968 --> 00:10:52,428 to that auditory landscape, if you will, it's not like an isolated 209 00:10:52,428 --> 00:10:53,788 series of high-pitched clicks. 210 00:10:54,208 --> 00:10:57,888 It comes together with all the other sounds that happen anyway, when I type, 211 00:10:58,248 --> 00:10:59,918 even if I'm using linear switches. 212 00:11:00,558 --> 00:11:00,988 Tisha: Right. 213 00:11:01,018 --> 00:11:01,538 Totally. 214 00:11:01,538 --> 00:11:05,948 It's not the only sound that your keyboard will, will make most likely. 215 00:11:06,348 --> 00:11:10,421 If you're actually typing at kind of a standard typing speed, I don't think 216 00:11:10,431 --> 00:11:13,591 you're going to hear separate sounds. 217 00:11:13,601 --> 00:11:17,951 It's all kind of going to be one sound, but that one sound 218 00:11:18,151 --> 00:11:19,571 is a mix of different things. 219 00:11:19,731 --> 00:11:23,671 It's the click that the switch makes, it's, if you bottom out, 220 00:11:23,701 --> 00:11:27,941 it's the keycap hitting the bottom of the case, plus whatever 221 00:11:28,001 --> 00:11:31,981 resonance your desk and room make. 222 00:11:32,171 --> 00:11:36,454 So yeah, when we talk about the sounds a keyboard makes, it's... 223 00:11:37,074 --> 00:11:38,374 a lot of things go into it. 224 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:39,564 Erez: Right. 225 00:11:39,744 --> 00:11:40,344 Tisha: Um- 226 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:41,004 Erez: Right. 227 00:11:41,004 --> 00:11:45,004 Yeah, definitely like the resonance is a good point because the ErgoDox EZ, it 228 00:11:45,014 --> 00:11:49,414 has a bit more of an echo chamber than the Moonlander or the Planck EZ, right? 229 00:11:49,434 --> 00:11:50,654 Which are slimmer boards. 230 00:11:51,164 --> 00:11:53,524 And so the same switch will sound different. 231 00:11:53,524 --> 00:11:56,174 I guess we touched on this a little bit in the introduction as well. 232 00:11:56,844 --> 00:11:57,264 Tisha: Right. 233 00:11:57,264 --> 00:11:58,274 Yeah, definitely. 234 00:11:58,334 --> 00:12:01,784 And how you type on a keyboard will make it sound different. 235 00:12:01,864 --> 00:12:05,324 If you're kind of really in the groove and typing quickly, your keyboard is probably 236 00:12:05,324 --> 00:12:10,284 going to sound different than if you're kind of struggling or thinking hard and 237 00:12:10,284 --> 00:12:12,394 typing kind of slowly and hesitantly. 238 00:12:12,604 --> 00:12:13,174 Erez: Right. 239 00:12:13,394 --> 00:12:13,714 Right. 240 00:12:13,714 --> 00:12:17,994 I think there was a customer recently told us that think his assistant or 241 00:12:18,014 --> 00:12:22,604 something, they always know when this person is in the flow because the 242 00:12:22,614 --> 00:12:24,414 typing sounds so drastically different. 243 00:12:24,764 --> 00:12:24,804 Tisha: [laughs] 244 00:12:25,234 --> 00:12:28,084 Erez: Like they would walk in their office and say, "Oh, you're angry typing again." 245 00:12:29,444 --> 00:12:30,024 Tisha: [laughs] Right. 246 00:12:30,504 --> 00:12:30,834 Erez: Right. 247 00:12:31,574 --> 00:12:37,174 Tisha: I think the last time that I worked in an office and, uh, the wall 248 00:12:37,184 --> 00:12:44,934 between my office and the one adjacent was not a very thick one, and my 249 00:12:44,934 --> 00:12:46,974 desk was kind of up against the wall. 250 00:12:47,034 --> 00:12:50,704 The person in the other office could hear when I was agitated. 251 00:12:51,944 --> 00:12:52,074 [laughs] 252 00:12:52,074 --> 00:12:52,414 Erez: Right. 253 00:12:52,804 --> 00:12:53,384 For sure. 254 00:12:54,454 --> 00:12:58,874 So then obviously Blue isn't the only clicky switch. 255 00:12:58,874 --> 00:12:59,261 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 256 00:12:59,454 --> 00:13:01,854 Erez: What other switches are we going to cover? 257 00:13:01,954 --> 00:13:02,444 Tisha: Wow. 258 00:13:02,464 --> 00:13:05,414 There's, [laughs] there's a big range. 259 00:13:05,434 --> 00:13:10,244 Um, a couple of, or I guess some of the switches that we'll talk about in the 260 00:13:10,244 --> 00:13:18,634 future are, um, a couple of them are speed switches, which I think is something we 261 00:13:18,644 --> 00:13:20,484 briefly touched on in the introduction. 262 00:13:20,894 --> 00:13:22,714 This is a slightly different type of switch. 263 00:13:22,724 --> 00:13:27,324 And we carry two Kailh switches that are speed switches, and that are clicky. 264 00:13:28,304 --> 00:13:35,714 And, um, a couple others, one Cherry and one Kailh that are clicky, 265 00:13:36,394 --> 00:13:39,314 not speed switches, but have a... 266 00:13:39,394 --> 00:13:41,424 kind of different sound profile than the rest. 267 00:13:41,874 --> 00:13:47,944 The White switches are clicky but I don't know, different, they sound different. 268 00:13:48,374 --> 00:13:48,614 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 269 00:13:48,774 --> 00:13:53,831 Tisha: So things that you might want to look for in a clicky switch, well, 270 00:13:53,861 --> 00:13:56,421 aside from all of the things that you're already thinking about with 271 00:13:56,421 --> 00:14:00,621 a switch, "Do I want something heavy or light, is my keyboard backlit? 272 00:14:00,641 --> 00:14:02,411 Do I need an RGB switch?" 273 00:14:02,511 --> 00:14:05,031 Is "what do I want it to sound like? 274 00:14:05,081 --> 00:14:08,924 Do I want kind of a light click, just a, kind of a tippy-tappy click? 275 00:14:08,954 --> 00:14:13,324 Do I want a bigger sort of low-pitched boom," which is not a great word to 276 00:14:13,324 --> 00:14:16,524 describe this, none of the switches sound like a boom, but, I don't know, maybe. 277 00:14:16,524 --> 00:14:17,034 Erez: Or a "thock". 278 00:14:17,454 --> 00:14:17,914 Tisha: Right. 279 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:20,254 "Do I want a tap or a crunch?" 280 00:14:20,294 --> 00:14:21,064 Maybe. 281 00:14:21,724 --> 00:14:24,094 "Do I want a tick or a tock?" 282 00:14:25,074 --> 00:14:25,464 Erez: Right. 283 00:14:26,314 --> 00:14:26,701 Tisha: [laughs] yeah. 284 00:14:27,031 --> 00:14:31,438 Erez: So then, I guess, I guess to, to end off on the Blue, where would that fall? 285 00:14:31,438 --> 00:14:36,078 So a Blue would be more of a tick, more of a, on the, on the 286 00:14:36,168 --> 00:14:37,678 higher end of that spectrum? 287 00:14:38,078 --> 00:14:39,388 Tisha: Yeah, I think so. 288 00:14:39,508 --> 00:14:41,908 Erez: Which can, you know, I'm, I'm just rethinking what I 289 00:14:41,918 --> 00:14:43,238 said about it being irritating. 290 00:14:43,238 --> 00:14:46,688 Yes, I think it can be irritating, but I think another way to read it, which is 291 00:14:46,688 --> 00:14:51,838 just so subjective, it's also in a sense maybe refined, you know what I mean? 292 00:14:52,528 --> 00:14:52,958 Tisha: Yeah. 293 00:14:52,958 --> 00:14:54,508 Erez: It can be a gentle sound as well. 294 00:14:54,508 --> 00:14:57,678 That again depends on, on, on your room and your typing style and so on, but 295 00:14:57,678 --> 00:15:00,588 it can be a fairly gentle sound, maybe. 296 00:15:01,488 --> 00:15:02,008 Tisha: Right. 297 00:15:02,058 --> 00:15:11,498 It's probably, um, if you imagine a very kind of stereotypical 298 00:15:11,610 --> 00:15:16,178 tick-tock of a mechanical clock, not a big one, a small clock. 299 00:15:16,178 --> 00:15:17,928 So you get that tick, tick, tick. 300 00:15:18,518 --> 00:15:18,823 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 301 00:15:18,828 --> 00:15:21,498 Tisha: It's, maybe something like that. 302 00:15:21,580 --> 00:15:29,270 And some people, I think find a rhythmic ticking to be soothing 303 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:34,730 or to help with concentration, it can help drown out other maybe 304 00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:36,790 distracting noises that are going on. 305 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:41,390 It really is a matter of taste and preference. 306 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:44,630 There are people who love the sound of a Blue and people who don't like the 307 00:15:44,630 --> 00:15:47,880 sound of a Blue, but like the sound of something like a White switch. 308 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:55,434 So it's a hard, it's not something, it's not a case where I can say 309 00:15:55,434 --> 00:15:56,934 that one is better than the other. 310 00:15:58,564 --> 00:16:02,474 Only that some people would prefer one type and some people will prefer another. 311 00:16:03,534 --> 00:16:03,744 Erez: Yeah. 312 00:16:03,794 --> 00:16:06,974 I think that's part of what makes switches such an interesting rabbit 313 00:16:06,974 --> 00:16:10,224 hole, because it's not like you can just clearly say, "Oh, this is a 314 00:16:10,234 --> 00:16:11,824 bad switch, this is a good switch." 315 00:16:11,824 --> 00:16:17,024 Like, "this is the best", you know, it's, it's so variable in a subjective. 316 00:16:17,694 --> 00:16:18,074 Tisha: Right. 317 00:16:18,074 --> 00:16:19,434 Erez: It's like half the fun, for me. 318 00:16:20,094 --> 00:16:21,114 Tisha: And you do see that. 319 00:16:21,274 --> 00:16:27,274 I mean, I am sure that pretty much everyone has seen, uh, you know, 320 00:16:27,284 --> 00:16:31,704 posts on social media or, you know, blog posts or reviews saying, you 321 00:16:31,704 --> 00:16:32,834 know, "Well, this switch is terrible. 322 00:16:32,834 --> 00:16:33,574 This one is bad. 323 00:16:33,934 --> 00:16:36,474 And I use something else and it's good." 324 00:16:36,864 --> 00:16:38,054 It's like, well, you know? 325 00:16:39,524 --> 00:16:39,824 Erez: Right. 326 00:16:40,124 --> 00:16:44,764 Tisha: Um, it is for you, you, you kind of have to qualify all of these things 327 00:16:45,214 --> 00:16:49,944 that obviously, unless you're talking about something that actually doesn't 328 00:16:49,944 --> 00:16:57,854 function like it's supposed to, that's a different story, but, um, opinions, 329 00:16:58,364 --> 00:16:59,764 you know, it's kind of like music. 330 00:17:00,824 --> 00:17:06,984 Opinions on switches vary widely and are strongly held. 331 00:17:08,344 --> 00:17:14,004 And I think that you have to take anything you hear about switches, 332 00:17:14,054 --> 00:17:19,144 including from me, as opinions, you know? 333 00:17:19,324 --> 00:17:19,444 Erez: Yep. 334 00:17:20,564 --> 00:17:20,974 Absolutely. 335 00:17:21,314 --> 00:17:21,874 I agree. 336 00:17:22,964 --> 00:17:23,524 Well, great. 337 00:17:23,624 --> 00:17:25,054 This was super interesting. 338 00:17:25,054 --> 00:17:28,334 I hope this episode gives people a sense of what we... 339 00:17:28,424 --> 00:17:33,384 our entirely subjective opinion [laughing] about Blue switches. 340 00:17:33,474 --> 00:17:33,844 Tisha: Right. 341 00:17:34,134 --> 00:17:35,194 Erez: And yeah. 342 00:17:35,374 --> 00:17:37,324 Thank you for sharing your, your thoughts. 343 00:17:37,654 --> 00:17:38,324 Tisha: Sure. 344 00:17:38,334 --> 00:17:39,734 And it may sound like... 345 00:17:40,514 --> 00:17:43,844 I kind of get the feeling that it might sound like I don't like Blue switches, 346 00:17:43,924 --> 00:17:45,414 but that's not actually the case. 347 00:17:45,414 --> 00:17:46,104 I do like them. 348 00:17:46,944 --> 00:17:47,264 Erez: Oh, okay. 349 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:55,784 Tisha: I just don't type on them every day because I share my home working space. 350 00:17:56,504 --> 00:18:03,404 Um, [laughs] it's not just me in the house, so I use a tactile and not a clicky 351 00:18:03,404 --> 00:18:05,384 switch for my sort of everyday typing. 352 00:18:05,764 --> 00:18:05,974 Erez: Yeah. 353 00:18:05,974 --> 00:18:06,604 Makes sense. 354 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:07,784 Great. 355 00:18:08,134 --> 00:18:09,134 Well, thank you so much, Tisha. 356 00:18:09,134 --> 00:18:09,894 Tisha: Yeah, sure. 357 00:18:09,894 --> 00:18:10,484 Thank you.